Worst States in the Union

smoking357 wrote:

ixtow wrote:

I'm not sure I follow how this is worst and best for freedom? It just seems to be numbers of officers... not numbers of anti-constitutional laws.

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http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFiles/Mercatus/Publications/Freedom in the 50 States.pdf That report rates each state on much more criteria than just the number of government agencies.

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Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.

As for that report, Florida is about the worst place for freedom in the world, yet they list it as akin to Montana?

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As long as cops are enforcing laws that respect liberty, protect rights, and only prosecute force, fraud, and abuse, they represent no threat to liberty. Once the law steps outside those bounds, it's only a matter of time and incremental steps to authoritarianism. Good cops who refuse to enforce tyrannical laws will be replaced with bad cops, and even criminals.

At the rate this country is going, Chinese style mobile euthanasia vans are just right around the corner guys and gals! Maybe they will sport American flag wraparounds, with an "In Government we trust!!" mantra?

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Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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WheelGun wrote:

Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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Try starting a business. Then, while running it, tell me that these restrictions on your freedom are not bad. They are in many ways worse than having a ton of cops on the street. New York and Washington State are very similar in regards to overbearing regulations that suck freedom from the marrow of our society.

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Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:

WheelGun wrote:

Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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Try starting a business. Then, while running it, tell me that these restrictions on your freedom are not bad. They are in many ways worse than having a ton of cops on the street. New York and Washington State are very similar in regards to overbearing regulations that suck freedom from the marrow of our society.

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But, this is how the government creates unofficial branches with which to do the things it otherwise can't! If you didn't control big business, it would not, in turn, be able to control the consumers and the employees. Which, in a capitalist economy/society; is everyone.

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ixtow wrote:

Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:

WheelGun wrote:

Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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Try starting a business. Then, while running it, tell me that these restrictions on your freedom are not bad. They are in many ways worse than having a ton of cops on the street. New York and Washington State are very similar in regards to overbearing regulations that suck freedom from the marrow of our society.

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But, this is how the government creates unofficial branches with which to do the things it otherwise can't! If you didn't control big business, it would not, in turn, be able to control the consumers and the employees. Which, in a capitalist economy/society; is everyone.

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Remember though, capitalism isn't the problem. The problem is big government legislating and regulating preferential treatment to businesses it deems more acceptable or just legislating and regulating out of pure corruption.

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I agree. Capitalism has been turned into Piracy.

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ixtow wrote:

I agree. Capitalism has been turned into Piracy.

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Remember, capitalism is a tool like a gun is a tool. You can use them for good just as easily as you can use them for bad. Don't blame the tool for the actions of those using the tool. Put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the human taking the actions which are bad.

I find it annoying when Liberals talk about capitalism vs socialism. That is an invalid argument and shows their ignorance on many levels. Socialism is a form of government. Capitalism is a market tool. Socialist and Communist governments use modified forms of capitalism. Look at China. Look at Europe. Capitalism exists there and is used as a tool.

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ixtow wrote:

I agree. Capitalism has been turned into Piracy.

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SNIP Remember, capitalism is a tool like a gun is a tool.

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