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    For those of you on Long Island, it turns out that an arsenal is now comprised of one shotgun, one rifle, and 500 rounds of ammo.

    The lady in the story sounds like a nut, but unless taking pictures is a crime I can't see how she got charged.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/08012009...ase_182423.htm

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    Looks like the system worked - no handguns. :P

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    Yeah kinda surprised he leaves the house, you never know when or where you might see a scary gun.

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    That "arsenal" was worth probably no more than $1500, including ammo. What I found most interesting was the FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS bail for trespassing. WTF?

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    Here's her side of the story, she doesn't strike me as all that scary really.

    http://www.27east.com/story_detail.cfm?id=225871

    Not sure if that will work or not.

    Sounds like the sheriffs and base security are trying to justify their existence to me.

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    Sounds like the big, tough, brave guys caught a really scary person. Thank goodness there are men out there walking the line for us, keping us safe from middle-agedwomen withdigital cameras. Now I can sleep at night.

    What a joke.

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    Gun Nut Armed to the Teeth with one shotgun and one rifle???????

    Lots of details missing from this story including some common sense. I hate to see how they would describe me ifshehad anarsenal. She may be crazy but two long guns and 500 rounds of ammo doesn't qualify by itself.

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    Next time I hope she wears her burka before getting out of the car.
    But maybe they count each piece of buckshot in the shell to get the
    arsenal they are looking for.
    "ties to al-Qaeda" You bet, I am funding their bahama vacation as we speak.
    I have no choice their leader is holding my taxes hostage to ensure my
    complicity.


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    Arsenal is one of those utilitarian terms like racism and disorderly conduct -- infinitely expandable and legally unanswerable -- that police and politicians find handy. These terms are designed and used to taint innocent people in the eyes of society and the state.

    Police in England have a good one that hasn't made its way here -- yet. That one is the "anti-social behaviour" caution under which a person can be put into the police database at the whim of any cop for virtually any reason or no reason at all. Simply being in a place where the cop thinks you have no reason to be is sufficient.

    English police really have the best of it. They are allowed to make up the law as they go along. Always remember the man in England ordered by police to remove the traditional English flag from his car because it might offend someone.

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    old dog wrote:
    Arsenal is one of those utilitarian terms like racism and disorderly conduct -- infinitely expandable and legally unanswerable -- that police and politicians find handy. These terms are designed and used to taint innocent people in the eyes of society and the state.

    Police in England have a good one that hasn't made its way here -- yet. That one is the "anti-social behaviour" caution under which a person can be put into the police database at the whim of any cop for virtually any reason or no reason at all. Simply being in a place where the cop thinks you have no reason to be is sufficient.

    English police really have the best of it. They are allowed to make up the law as they go along. Always remember the man in England ordered by police to remove the traditional English flag from his car because it might offend someone.
    Absolutely, and remember England used to be a bastion of freedom years ago, the Magna Carta was the first civil rights document brought into existence and a lot of our "common rights" were articulated in this.

    What folks in the USA need to make sure is we don't allow this country down the path of more and more police power and less and less people power.

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    Remember, in NYC a flintlock musket with no ammo constitutes a "dangerous arms cache".



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    This is silly. This is a matter of misunderstanding and common sense.

    On one hand, she has every right to be legally armed in this manner. Yet common sense should kick in and say "Hey, I want to take pictures of a military base. Should I leave my guns at home?".

    Ofcourse bringing guns onto controlled or uncontrolled base property is a very big federal offense and signs are posted. If she lived near the base and is also a gun owner, I am sure she was aware of these restrictions. Now since she was not charged with a firearm on base, she must have parked offbase and was close to the fence taking pictures.

    Again, should the matter of the guns come up? No. Yet law states entering base property means you could be searched. Also knowing this, she should of left her guns at home as common sense should prevail.

    Should she of left them at home? Well its her right to be armed. BUT I wouldn't of did it if I wanted to take pictures of a base. Which, by the way, IS ODD.

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    A guess a NY cop would Sh*t a brick if I ever got pulled over on my way to the range. 2 weapons and they call that an arsenal? I usually have between 10 & 12 weapons and at least 300 rounds for each one. I can drive all over the state with unloaded weapons in the trunk. Washington DOES NOT have a registration for weapons or require permits for ownership.

    I wonder how big the Air Guard base is? Someone should check to see if they can register their private weapons with the Provost Marshal. I did that with the base out here and now I am allowed to use the civilian range on the base which resolves the issue of having weapons near the base.

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    thejax wrote:
    This is silly. This is a matter of misunderstanding and common sense.

    On one hand, she has every right to be legally armed in this manner. Yet common sense should kick in and say "Hey, I want to take pictures of a military base. Should I leave my guns at home?".

    Ofcourse bringing guns onto controlled or uncontrolled base property is a very big federal offense and signs are posted. If she lived near the base and is also a gun owner, I am sure she was aware of these restrictions. Now since she was not charged with a firearm on base, she must have parked offbase and was close to the fence taking pictures.

    Again, should the matter of the guns come up? No. Yet law states entering base property means you could be searched. Also knowing this, she should of left her guns at home as common sense should prevail.

    Should she of left them at home? Well its her right to be armed. BUT I wouldn't of did it if I wanted to take pictures of a base. Which, by the way, IS ODD.
    Not necessarily. From her statement, she said she was taking pictures of a helicopter that is on display near the entrance to the base. Not really that weird, IMO.

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    Just read both articles.

    She was interagated for 5 hours before she realized she was under arrest???? I think this lady has had her brains out playing with them, one too many times. She's missing some.

    Since 9/11, you simply DO NOT go around photographing military installations. I don't think you could do it before 9/11.

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