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OT - legal to kill mountain lion?
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Aaron1124
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Stlhead wrote:
Stlhead wrote:
I don't know how that group can claim to be a pro environment and pro wildlife group considering they've done more damage than they've done good.
Trigger Dr
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People Eating Tasty Animals
People Eating Tasty Animals
jinj
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The WA wildlife dept will track the cougars, we have them by our house all the time, they are no problem.
No reason to kill them.
That PETA joke . . . Zzzzzzz.
The WA wildlife dept will track the cougars, we have them by our house all the time, they are no problem.
No reason to kill them.
That PETA joke . . . Zzzzzzz.
Window_Seat
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The only thing I like about PETA is the hot babe taking off her clothes in the video...:celebrate
Having said that, I agree that a cage/trap is good, but children? To protect the children and other humans or livestock is to shoot if necessary on any level...
Erik.
The only thing I like about PETA is the hot babe taking off her clothes in the video...:celebrate
Having said that, I agree that a cage/trap is good, but children? To protect the children and other humans or livestock is to shoot if necessary on any level...
Erik.
Lante
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I have had cougar and bear on the property at different times...keeping them from stock if they are really hungry is dang near impossible. But if they are just passing through or looking to grab a fast bite to eat...an air pellet works wonders. Just enough to sting, and to establish your claim to your territory.
As far as shooting one that is feasting on your stock...the game dept doesn't like it. Had it happen 10+ yrs ago, shot the coyote, and got to answer all sorts of idiot questions..."are you sure this coyote killed your animals", did you see the attack start? could it have been a different coyote? Might this coyote got stuck in the animals pen and gotten panicked? Did you try to have the coyote relocated? Did you attempt to trap the animal first? Why didn't you contact state game first? :banghead:
Never again! Easier to build a 20' wall topped with razor wire around the entire stock area. Less headaches.
I have had cougar and bear on the property at different times...keeping them from stock if they are really hungry is dang near impossible. But if they are just passing through or looking to grab a fast bite to eat...an air pellet works wonders. Just enough to sting, and to establish your claim to your territory.
As far as shooting one that is feasting on your stock...the game dept doesn't like it. Had it happen 10+ yrs ago, shot the coyote, and got to answer all sorts of idiot questions..."are you sure this coyote killed your animals", did you see the attack start? could it have been a different coyote? Might this coyote got stuck in the animals pen and gotten panicked? Did you try to have the coyote relocated? Did you attempt to trap the animal first? Why didn't you contact state game first? :banghead:
Never again! Easier to build a 20' wall topped with razor wire around the entire stock area. Less headaches.
kparker
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Lante,
Can't speak to 10 years ago, but currently the season for coyote is 'year round', and can be hunted with either a big game or small game license. For $36/year you can fire at will at the coyotes and then WDFW has nothing to quiz you about.
Lante,
Can't speak to 10 years ago, but currently the season for coyote is 'year round', and can be hunted with either a big game or small game license. For $36/year you can fire at will at the coyotes and then WDFW has nothing to quiz you about.
Hammer
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Now that's pretty funny. :lol:
Got any pics of bear and cougar prowling your livestock in Kingston?
How 'bout the coyote?
WDFW quizzed you about the coyote, but didn't say a word about shooting where you were?
Very curious indeed....
Now that's pretty funny. :lol:
Got any pics of bear and cougar prowling your livestock in Kingston?
How 'bout the coyote?
WDFW quizzed you about the coyote, but didn't say a word about shooting where you were?
Very curious indeed....
Hammer
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jinj wrote:
I take it none of yours.
I guess as long as they can be fed someone ELSE'S children, it's all OK.
They'd be "no problem" "No reason to kill them"
I lived where a child WAS killed by a cougar.
If one looks into it, they will prey on humans.
jinj wrote:
So, how many children have they eaten in your neighborhood?
I take it none of yours.
I guess as long as they can be fed someone ELSE'S children, it's all OK.
They'd be "no problem" "No reason to kill them"
I lived where a child WAS killed by a cougar.
If one looks into it, they will prey on humans.
1245A Defender
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any dangerous animal that becomes accustomed to living near humans "will" become a danger to the pets, the childeren, the live stock! a bear, a coyoty, mountain lion, even a racoon! they will eventually attack something if you dont convince them that people are going to hurt them first!! if you live where habitate enchroachment occurs you must do any/every thing to scare them away or kill them for you and yours protection.
any dangerous animal that becomes accustomed to living near humans "will" become a danger to the pets, the childeren, the live stock! a bear, a coyoty, mountain lion, even a racoon! they will eventually attack something if you dont convince them that people are going to hurt them first!! if you live where habitate enchroachment occurs you must do any/every thing to scare them away or kill them for you and yours protection.
Aaron1124
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2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
Like I said, this is just my opinion. Others are entititled to feel differently. I'm not looking to start an argument, but this is the approach I would take.
2, 4, 5 A defender wrote:
That's why I support the building of a fence large enough to keep a large predator out. Also, owning livestock guardian dogs are a GREAT deterrent. I would definitely use these two options before resorting to shooting one.
Like I said, this is just my opinion. Others are entititled to feel differently. I'm not looking to start an argument, but this is the approach I would take.
rickomatic
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I had a bobcat treed by one of my dogs a year or so ago. I called the WDFW and the first thing the agent asked me was "are you a hunter?" I said yes, and without skipping a beat he said "shoot it".
Well, being one mile inside a no shooting zone put the stop to that. I did however put the Crimson Trace laser on his forehead to let him know who was boss.....LOL.
I ended up letting the dog bark at him for another hour or so til dark. He never came back.
I had a bobcat treed by one of my dogs a year or so ago. I called the WDFW and the first thing the agent asked me was "are you a hunter?" I said yes, and without skipping a beat he said "shoot it".
Well, being one mile inside a no shooting zone put the stop to that. I did however put the Crimson Trace laser on his forehead to let him know who was boss.....LOL.
I ended up letting the dog bark at him for another hour or so til dark. He never came back.
Aaron1124
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rickomatic wrote:
rickomatic wrote:
Nice pictureI had a bobcat treed by one of my dogs a year or so ago. I called the WDFW and the first thing the agent asked me was "are you a hunter?" I said yes, and without skipping a beat he said "shoot it".
Well, being one mile inside a no shooting zone put the stop to that. I did however put the Crimson Trace laser on his forehead to let him know who was boss.....LOL.
I ended up letting the dog bark at him for another hour or so til dark. He never came back.
SANDRAT
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ghosthunter wrote:
you are pretty close on this one,the WDFW handle all big game(Couger,Bear,Deer,Elk)problem wildlife,anything else,they refer you to a NWCO,who is a private party that you have to pay.
I hate to say this,but some of the posters on this thread obviously don't have a clue about life in the rural areas.Most cats that attack humans are not in the best of shape and wind up being put down,not relocated.
ghosthunter wrote:
you are pretty close on this one,the WDFW handle all big game(Couger,Bear,Deer,Elk)problem wildlife,anything else,they refer you to a NWCO,who is a private party that you have to pay.
I hate to say this,but some of the posters on this thread obviously don't have a clue about life in the rural areas.Most cats that attack humans are not in the best of shape and wind up being put down,not relocated.
SANDRAT
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Lante wrote:
Lante wrote:
Other than being in a no shooting zone,since when has killing a Coyote in WA state been a problem?You can hunt them 24/7 365 days of the year,no limit.
1245A Defender
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Citizen wrote:
Citizen wrote:
trapping only teaches them to stay outa traps!!! they will still try to go back to the easy living place.. they wont have learned to leave livestock, pets, or kids alone. a real good bet is protective family dogs that roam the property, and keep a natural watch over their territory. even small humane society mongeral dogs can scare away a bear or a bob cat!! just raise them right!!
Bill Starks
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[align=center][font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]General cougar season starts Sept. 1;
Permit-only hunt applications are due Aug. 31 [/font] [/align] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]OLYMPIA - Cougar hunters will begin the 2009 general season on Sept. 1 this year, while those interested in permit-only hunts held after the general season have until Aug. 31 to submit an application to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Under new rules adopted by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission, the general cougar season will begin with a statewide archery-only season Sept. 1-25, followed by a muzzleloader-only season Sept. 26-Oct. 16. Beginning Oct. 17, hunters may use any legal weapon to target cougars in most areas of the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]In the past, the general cougar hunting season began Aug. 1 and hunters were allowed to use any legal weapon. The changes were adopted to better match cougar hunting with the early elk and deer seasons, said Donny Martorello, carnivore specialist for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Exceptions include certain cougar management units in Chelan, Ferry, Klickitat, Okanogan, Stevens and Pend Oreille counties, which will be closed during modern firearm deer season. Cougar hunting will run Oct. 31 through Nov. 30 in those areas. Any legal weapon may be used and the use of hounds is permitted.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Martorello said that the later start date in those areas, which occurs after the modern firearm deer season, is designed to better evaluate the pilot hound program in those counties.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]"We want to offer all hunters a fair opportunity to hunt cougar in the state and maintain harvestable levels," Martorello said. "Removing cougar hunting from a portion of the deer season will help us further test the management benefits of the pilot hound season."[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Details on the 2009 cougar season are available on page 50 of the WDFW’s Big Game Hunting pamphlet at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/hunter.htm[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"].[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Meanwhile, hunters who wish to participate in a permit-only cougar hunt to be held this winter, have until Aug. 31 to purchase and submit their applications to WDFW. Cougar hunters participating in the general season may also apply for the special hunt drawing.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Approximately 68 permits will be available for special cougar hunts in five areas where the use of dogs is allowed. Under new rules approved by the commission, dog ownership is no longer a requirement for those wishing to apply for a hound-assisted hunt.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Also new this year is the addition of 290 permits allowing permit-only cougar hunts without the use of dogs in nine areas of the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]The drawing for permit-only hunts will be held in mid-September; winners will be notified in mid-October by email or U.S. mail.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]To apply for a permit, hunters must purchase a special permit application and a 2009 hunting license that includes cougar as a species option. Hunting licenses, cougar transport tags and cougar permit applications may be purchased online at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"], by calling (866) 246-9453, or at any license vendor in the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Special permit applications, which require a correct hunt choice number specifying the area of choice, may be submitted online at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]or by calling (877) 945-3492. Hunt choices and season dates are located on page 51 of the 2009 Big Game Hunting pamphlet, available at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/hunter.htm[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"].[/font]
[align=center][font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]General cougar season starts Sept. 1;
Permit-only hunt applications are due Aug. 31 [/font] [/align] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]OLYMPIA - Cougar hunters will begin the 2009 general season on Sept. 1 this year, while those interested in permit-only hunts held after the general season have until Aug. 31 to submit an application to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Under new rules adopted by the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission, the general cougar season will begin with a statewide archery-only season Sept. 1-25, followed by a muzzleloader-only season Sept. 26-Oct. 16. Beginning Oct. 17, hunters may use any legal weapon to target cougars in most areas of the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]In the past, the general cougar hunting season began Aug. 1 and hunters were allowed to use any legal weapon. The changes were adopted to better match cougar hunting with the early elk and deer seasons, said Donny Martorello, carnivore specialist for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Exceptions include certain cougar management units in Chelan, Ferry, Klickitat, Okanogan, Stevens and Pend Oreille counties, which will be closed during modern firearm deer season. Cougar hunting will run Oct. 31 through Nov. 30 in those areas. Any legal weapon may be used and the use of hounds is permitted.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Martorello said that the later start date in those areas, which occurs after the modern firearm deer season, is designed to better evaluate the pilot hound program in those counties.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]"We want to offer all hunters a fair opportunity to hunt cougar in the state and maintain harvestable levels," Martorello said. "Removing cougar hunting from a portion of the deer season will help us further test the management benefits of the pilot hound season."[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Details on the 2009 cougar season are available on page 50 of the WDFW’s Big Game Hunting pamphlet at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/hunter.htm[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"].[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Meanwhile, hunters who wish to participate in a permit-only cougar hunt to be held this winter, have until Aug. 31 to purchase and submit their applications to WDFW. Cougar hunters participating in the general season may also apply for the special hunt drawing.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Approximately 68 permits will be available for special cougar hunts in five areas where the use of dogs is allowed. Under new rules approved by the commission, dog ownership is no longer a requirement for those wishing to apply for a hound-assisted hunt.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Also new this year is the addition of 290 permits allowing permit-only cougar hunts without the use of dogs in nine areas of the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]The drawing for permit-only hunts will be held in mid-September; winners will be notified in mid-October by email or U.S. mail.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]To apply for a permit, hunters must purchase a special permit application and a 2009 hunting license that includes cougar as a species option. Hunting licenses, cougar transport tags and cougar permit applications may be purchased online at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"], by calling (866) 246-9453, or at any license vendor in the state.[/font]
[font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]Special permit applications, which require a correct hunt choice number specifying the area of choice, may be submitted online at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]or by calling (877) 945-3492. Hunt choices and season dates are located on page 51 of the 2009 Big Game Hunting pamphlet, available at [/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"]http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/hunter.htm[/font] [font="arial,helvetica,sans-serif"].[/font]
Washintonian_For_Liberty
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Aaron1124 wrote:
Aaron1124 wrote:
Pumas are not human.... they have no rights and if it comes to big cat or family and livestock.... I say kill the big cat. No shipping it off to parts unknown. Kill the cat.
Aaron1124
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Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
That's your opinion, and I have mine.
Kildars
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Hammer wrote:
If you live in a cougar prone area you have a responsibility to avoid the situation as much as possible. Either by getting one of these:
Building a fence, or whatever. You think you'll always be able to kill it? Prevention is the best way.
Hammer wrote:
Oh please, here we go with the "think of the children" argument.
If you live in a cougar prone area you have a responsibility to avoid the situation as much as possible. Either by getting one of these:
Building a fence, or whatever. You think you'll always be able to kill it? Prevention is the best way.