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I live in Temecula. I'd like to either participate in, or organize a local event. Personally, and don't take this the wrong way, at 55 running around collecting points for appearing in different situations does not appeal to me. Something along the lines of an organized appearance at WalMart,andlocal restaurants etc., thatappeals to me. But I'd go with the flow if that were the only venue.
Sans a Temecula event, I'd like to participate in the next San Diego event if I'm in the area, I travel, a lot. Participate in the next one that I can and there is a decided dearth of information about the structure and objectives of the organization, scheduled events included. I say the more the better. The more open carry happens the closer CA will be to becoming a shall issue state. I am finding it difficult to expose the organization behind the website.
I'm also not about to spout off to a LEO about "asking or demanding." I understand the purpose of that, but it's kind of like the NRA preaching to itself about gun control. It's not that edifying for most, and annoying to the officers in question. Why annoy them? I would rather be seen as understanding of their situation and cooperative, so that they may in turn grow to understand my position:what it is I am doing and why. It is important to project that, as a culture, open carry presents no threat to them. Then when they see me armed in my POV, I'm not getting the felony stop treatment.
I open carry frequently in Temecula. If I go to the filling station late for a snack, and when I walk my dogs. One too many pit bulls and other aggressive breeds have charged me and my pets over the years. I've been doing this since the early 80s, when I lived in Imperial Beach, pit bull central USA. I wasn't about to have my kid or my pet taken out by a 60 lb dog. I was never approached by law enforcement. And no citizen has ever said boo to me. I think it has mostly to do with how you carry yourself. If you don't pay attention to it, neither will most other people.
This is human nature. If you buy a $3,500.00 Omega Seamaster watch and put it on, 9 times outten somebody will say something when its new. It's not that it doesn't look like a three thousand dollar watch a year later - it's that you pay attention to it unconsciously when you first put it on. It’s different and special. The same goes with rings. When I first put on my undergraduate ring I got a couple of comments, same with mypost-grad ring, and the same thing happened when I first put on a Masonic ring, and in every case after the first couple of comments, no one every said anything again. The furtive attention we pay to ourselves is noticed by others in every way and regarding all things. Guns arehard not to think about, but I've been armed more often than not,as have all the men in my family, forever, so I really don't pay it much mind. Apparently, neither does anyone else.
I support what you all are doing. I have preached against open carry in shall issue States and I will continue to take that stance. It does, as CalGuns posits, raise an alarm among those citizens who're not part of the gun culture. Doing that without just cause (in a shall issue State) is foolish. Rising awareness in a may issue State is a different matter. In that case I am ok with it and I think it will actually have a positive effect. The Reader's article seems to reflect that. The Reader is not as Libertarian as liberal in the American sense of those words. A wide spread open carry movement will have a positive impact, so long as the movement itself is positive in its execution of demonstration. All it takes is one whack-job to make the whole thing goSouth. The media will be vigilant for that instance, thataggravated arrest, that shouting match with the uninformed hot-head citizen.
I would recommend what structure there is enjoin the body as a whole to be even more vigilant andself-policing in as positive a fashion as possible, but where necessary to report abnormal behavior if and when it becomes apparent. To think that we're immune from the foibles of human nature is folly. As we always used to say in the Old Navy, "you always have your 12%." Meaning, 12% of the people who respond to this movement will be of questionable nature. If only it weren’t so; but in my anecdotal experience, that's an accurate assumption.I would also recommend making membership or being part of the organization a little more transparent on the website. Although, that may be how people are vetted. Nobody is going to ask you to be a Mason. Perhaps this is an instance of the same sort of vetting.
I live in Temecula. I'd like to either participate in, or organize a local event. Personally, and don't take this the wrong way, at 55 running around collecting points for appearing in different situations does not appeal to me. Something along the lines of an organized appearance at WalMart,andlocal restaurants etc., thatappeals to me. But I'd go with the flow if that were the only venue.
Sans a Temecula event, I'd like to participate in the next San Diego event if I'm in the area, I travel, a lot. Participate in the next one that I can and there is a decided dearth of information about the structure and objectives of the organization, scheduled events included. I say the more the better. The more open carry happens the closer CA will be to becoming a shall issue state. I am finding it difficult to expose the organization behind the website.
I'm also not about to spout off to a LEO about "asking or demanding." I understand the purpose of that, but it's kind of like the NRA preaching to itself about gun control. It's not that edifying for most, and annoying to the officers in question. Why annoy them? I would rather be seen as understanding of their situation and cooperative, so that they may in turn grow to understand my position:what it is I am doing and why. It is important to project that, as a culture, open carry presents no threat to them. Then when they see me armed in my POV, I'm not getting the felony stop treatment.
I open carry frequently in Temecula. If I go to the filling station late for a snack, and when I walk my dogs. One too many pit bulls and other aggressive breeds have charged me and my pets over the years. I've been doing this since the early 80s, when I lived in Imperial Beach, pit bull central USA. I wasn't about to have my kid or my pet taken out by a 60 lb dog. I was never approached by law enforcement. And no citizen has ever said boo to me. I think it has mostly to do with how you carry yourself. If you don't pay attention to it, neither will most other people.
This is human nature. If you buy a $3,500.00 Omega Seamaster watch and put it on, 9 times outten somebody will say something when its new. It's not that it doesn't look like a three thousand dollar watch a year later - it's that you pay attention to it unconsciously when you first put it on. It’s different and special. The same goes with rings. When I first put on my undergraduate ring I got a couple of comments, same with mypost-grad ring, and the same thing happened when I first put on a Masonic ring, and in every case after the first couple of comments, no one every said anything again. The furtive attention we pay to ourselves is noticed by others in every way and regarding all things. Guns arehard not to think about, but I've been armed more often than not,as have all the men in my family, forever, so I really don't pay it much mind. Apparently, neither does anyone else.
I support what you all are doing. I have preached against open carry in shall issue States and I will continue to take that stance. It does, as CalGuns posits, raise an alarm among those citizens who're not part of the gun culture. Doing that without just cause (in a shall issue State) is foolish. Rising awareness in a may issue State is a different matter. In that case I am ok with it and I think it will actually have a positive effect. The Reader's article seems to reflect that. The Reader is not as Libertarian as liberal in the American sense of those words. A wide spread open carry movement will have a positive impact, so long as the movement itself is positive in its execution of demonstration. All it takes is one whack-job to make the whole thing goSouth. The media will be vigilant for that instance, thataggravated arrest, that shouting match with the uninformed hot-head citizen.
I would recommend what structure there is enjoin the body as a whole to be even more vigilant andself-policing in as positive a fashion as possible, but where necessary to report abnormal behavior if and when it becomes apparent. To think that we're immune from the foibles of human nature is folly. As we always used to say in the Old Navy, "you always have your 12%." Meaning, 12% of the people who respond to this movement will be of questionable nature. If only it weren’t so; but in my anecdotal experience, that's an accurate assumption.I would also recommend making membership or being part of the organization a little more transparent on the website. Although, that may be how people are vetted. Nobody is going to ask you to be a Mason. Perhaps this is an instance of the same sort of vetting.
