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    effective April 27, 2009 - New Montana Law

    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billpdf/HB0228.pdf
    in part not complete new law - open the link to review the entire new law




    Section 2. Openly carrying weapon -- display -- exemption.



    (1) Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.



    (2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.

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    unbelievable, no exemptions for law enforcement and no restrictions against resisting law enforcement in lawful circumstances.

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    Sigh....that's it, rub it in ......
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    Well, since it's in the state constitution already, there's no need for such a law.

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    XD-GEM wrote:
    Well, since it's in the state constitution already, there's no need for such a law.
    then why does Louisiana have all these problems with people trying to do open carry ? incident after incident on this web site

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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    Well, since it's in the state constitution already, there's no need for such a law.
    then why does Louisiana have all these problems with people trying to do open carry ? incident after incident on this web site
    Cowboy, has you ever BEEN to Louisiana? Nobody reads here, boy! Especially dem coppers. Judging from this post's subject line, you MAY have been here before.

    That's "chnage" I can believe in!

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    Mostly due to uninformed LEO, partly due to LEO who simply do not like the idea. The former get educated as politely as possible, the latter end up putting attorneys' kids through private schools.

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    XD-GEM wrote:
    Well, since it's in the state constitution already, there's no need for such a law.


    §11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms

    Section 11. The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged,


    ding..ding..ding..

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    Dustin wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    Well, since it's in the state constitution already, there's no need for such a law.



    §11. Right to Keep and Bear Arms


    Section 11. The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged,




    ding..ding..ding..
    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billpdf/HB0228.pdf



    well, fellars you might try reading the entire law, which includes self defense among other things, you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different. Remember on the National Level we have the U.S. Constitution Second Amendment but others meaning Commies/Facist/Nazis/Socialist/Liberals trample on it everyday.

    As far as being in Louisiana before, yes numerous times from far North to deep South LA, in all seasons.

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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

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    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.

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    Het look it's XD-GEM :P













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    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to http://www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.
    "Are you in LA or not?" No, as I typed before "As far as being in Louisiana before, yes numerous times from far North to deep South LA, in all seasons."

    LA - Good hunting and fishing. Also lots of kin folks in LA. Too hot and humid with chiggers in the summer for me though.


    Problem is Peace Officers either do not or do not want to understand the Constitution, this a problem nation wide.

    Thank you for the web site.


    http://www.louisianacarry.org

    Problems in LA but not in MT

    http://www.louisianacarry.org/changes/index.htm

    Problem: Our Concealed Handgun Permits are not recognized by the BATFE as valid for the purposes of exemption from a Brady background check.This could be easily fixed.



    Problem: You are consenting to a search WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE whenever you enter any commercial establishment in which alcoholic beverages of either high or low alcoholic content are sold in individual servings for consumption on the premises, if that is a majority of their business. This means that, by Louisiana law, you have little to no Fourth Amendment Rights in many dining establishments in Louisiana! This is also in direct violation of Article 1, Section 5 of our own State Constitution.



    Problem: Even with a Concealed Handgun Permit, you can still be charged for Illegally Carrying of a Weapon if you have a defensive knife (or other defensive object) on your person (based on the officer's discretion). Carrying a good knife is almost a given for most adult males in Louisiana. Even though this fact does not seem to be being abused currently, it is making potential criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens who have knives or other objects that could be used as weapons. For this reason, we recommend changing our permits to a concealed weapons permit, as many other states have done.



    Problem: Many localities have ordinances & signs prohibiting weapons in parks and other outdoor areas. This is against the law! We intend to legally and aggressively pursue the removal of all these restrictions



    Problem: Our State law pre-empts any political subdivision (read: parishes and towns) from passing laws that are more restrictive than state gun laws. The law excepts the following areas: 1) certain commercial establishments, 2) public buildings, 3) laws enacted before July 15, 1985. We would like to get any and all of those exceptions removed, or at the very least, narrowly defined.



    Problem: Currently, our Concealed Handgun Permit laws provide for the prohibition of lawfully owned concealed weapons from places of worship. This is putting many responsible citizens in a position of defenselessness, and advertising to criminals that the churches in our state are "defense free crime zones". This is not only a self-defense issue, it is a property rights issue. Morally, it is the decision of each individual place of worship whether or not to prohibit weapons on their premises. Aggravated batteries (violent crimes) are not unheard of in churches in our nation, and it is time to provide law abiding citizens with the legal right to defend themselves while attending their chosen place of worship.



    Problem: Unlike many other States, Louisiana requires several affidavits (separate from the primary permit application) to be notarized by a ex-officio notary before a permit can be issued. These forms may have been a good idea when they were enacted years ago, but time has shown that the need for them may have been overstated. Optimally, the information presented in these documents should be incorporated in the primary CHP application, but at a minimum we need to condense these down to one separate form. Many ex-officio notaries charge around $15.00 for their services, so we are unnecessarily inflating the cost of our permits by as much as $45.00 or more for our residents.



    Problem: Louisiana charges applicants who have resided in other States in the past fifteen years, in order to fund a search into the State records of the States that the applicant resided in during that time. Prior to the construction of the NICS database, there may have been a need for this provision, but since those records are now contained in a centralized database, performing a NICS check (free) precludes us from being able to justify inflating the permit cost for this purpose.



    Problem: Louisiana maintains a registry of all legally owned Class 3 firearms. History has shown us that the only effective purpose for a firearm registry is to facilitate possible future weapon confiscation. This registry needs to be abolished and destroyed.



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    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to http://www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.


    http://www.louisianacarry.org/oc/



    Have you read all of this ?what a mess.

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    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to http://www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.


    http://www.louisianacarry.org/oc/



    Have you read all of this ?what a mess.
    I have read it.

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    Louisiana Carry wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to http://www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.


    http://www.louisianacarry.org/oc/



    Have you read all of this ?what a mess.
    I have read it.
    lolololol....
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    Louisiana Carry wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    XD-GEM wrote:
    Dustin wrote:
    IDAHO COWBOY wrote:
    you might try reading the open carry again which was posted in the open - can you do this while open carrying ? P.S. the answer to all is NO we cannot do this Louisiana.

    well you might try pulling your heads out of the sand, to admit many do have a problem in LA open carrying even though your Constitution says different.
    Are you in LA or not?

    Eitherway what are you talking about NOT BEING ABLE TO DO while OC.ing in LA that Montanians can ?

    Unless I misunderstand him, I believe he is suggesting that there should be a law added to the Revised Statutes that says OC is legal. It would seem that he believes that LEO might be better able to comprehend it if they could find it in the statutes amongst all of the prohibitions enumerated there.

    If so, I disagree. The Louisiana State Constitution is quite explicit, and LEO simply need to understand that.

    ETA: and after reading the entire bill, I can assure you that most of the other provisions in it are covered by several separate statutes here in Louisiana. Try going to http://www.louisianacarry.org and looking in the "Laws" section.


    http://www.louisianacarry.org/oc/



    Have you read all of this ?what a mess.
    I have read it.

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    I see alot of those are to do with concealed carry.

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