GLOCK21GB
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It would nice to see where we can & cannot carry, can anyone help ?
It would nice to see where we can & cannot carry, can anyone help ?
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Green Bay School Zone Map, Can someone create one ?
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Passive101
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If anyone could make one for Verona and Madison I'd greatly appreciate it.
If anyone could make one for Verona and Madison I'd greatly appreciate it.
SprayAndPray
Regular Member
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Send me a PM with your email address and I can share the rough draft I have made.....
(legal mumbo jumbo) I am in no way shape or form responsable for the information on that map and you need to verify EvERYTHING before you carry using it ......
Honestly it is probably not good enough to use to determine where carrying is legal , but I made it mostly to see what percentage of the city os off limits
Send me a PM with your email address and I can share the rough draft I have made.....
(legal mumbo jumbo) I am in no way shape or form responsable for the information on that map and you need to verify EvERYTHING before you carry using it ......
Honestly it is probably not good enough to use to determine where carrying is legal , but I made it mostly to see what percentage of the city os off limits
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Let's remember that the law is that you cannot knowingly be within 1000 feet of a school while armed. Having a map would undermine the defense of ignorance. (which in this case is a valid defense) There are schools around every corner in GB, so perhaps it'd be wise to not know where every single one is.
Let's remember that the law is that you cannot knowingly be within 1000 feet of a school while armed. Having a map would undermine the defense of ignorance. (which in this case is a valid defense) There are schools around every corner in GB, so perhaps it'd be wise to not know where every single one is.
Passive101
Regular Member
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RugerMan wrote:
RugerMan wrote:
Reading a map and looking it over before hand is only a tool. You don't have to have it with you.
Shotgun
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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Passive101 wrote:
Edit: I'll check with the Madison PD.
Passive101 wrote:
Maybe we could ask the police if they have one. Why do all the work if it's already been done?
Edit: I'll check with the Madison PD.
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Passive101 wrote:
agreed. But if you do find yourself in trouble for being within a 1000 feet and you end up in court over it, the prosecutor might follow a line of questioning to uncover whether you had prior knowledge of the school zone in question. And unless you would be comfortable with perjury, one would have to disclose the study of such a map if so asked.
The Milwaukee school zone map was made for the area Law enforcement to try and discourage/catch OCers in the area. There is no requirement that we know where they are. Of course, it would be prudent to know where they are in our neighborhood.
If you want a general idea of the coverage, simply Google "school" on a map of green bay.
I'm not belittling those whom want such a map, only offering a counterpoint on whether it is such a good idea.
Passive101 wrote:
agreed. But if you do find yourself in trouble for being within a 1000 feet and you end up in court over it, the prosecutor might follow a line of questioning to uncover whether you had prior knowledge of the school zone in question. And unless you would be comfortable with perjury, one would have to disclose the study of such a map if so asked.
The Milwaukee school zone map was made for the area Law enforcement to try and discourage/catch OCers in the area. There is no requirement that we know where they are. Of course, it would be prudent to know where they are in our neighborhood.
If you want a general idea of the coverage, simply Google "school" on a map of green bay.
I'm not belittling those whom want such a map, only offering a counterpoint on whether it is such a good idea.
Doug Huffman
Banned
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How can they enforce the GFSZ law if they don't know where they are? Must have already been done. File a Chapter 19 FOIA request. Remember, it's supposed to be easy.
How can they enforce the GFSZ law if they don't know where they are? Must have already been done. File a Chapter 19 FOIA request. Remember, it's supposed to be easy.
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Doug Huffman wrote:
Asking might only cause us to come under more scrutiny and harassment.
Doug Huffman wrote:
Every PO in a city knows where the schools are. If you're right next to one, they'll pick you up. If it's questionable about the distance, they'd probably have to survey for the purposes of court. They probably won't make one ahead of time unless they intend on using the law to trap OCers, or if they've already taken such a case to court.
Asking might only cause us to come under more scrutiny and harassment.
Doug Huffman
Banned
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I think a better excuse (red-herring strawman riding a stalkinghorse) is the Department of Homeland Severity.
Wisc. Stat. 19.35 Access to records; fees. (1) RIGHT TO INSPECTION
[ ... ]
(i) Except as authorized under this paragraph, no request under
pars. (a) and (b) to (f) may be refused because the person making
the request is unwilling to be identified or to state the purpose of
the request. Except as authorized under this paragraph, no request
under pars. (a) to (f) may be refused because the request is
received by mail, unless prepayment of a fee is required under sub.
(3) (f). A requester may be required to show acceptable identification
whenever the requested record is kept at a private residence
or whenever security reasons or federal law or regulations so
require.
I think a better excuse (red-herring strawman riding a stalkinghorse) is the Department of Homeland Severity.
Wisc. Stat. 19.35 Access to records; fees. (1) RIGHT TO INSPECTION
[ ... ]
(i) Except as authorized under this paragraph, no request under
pars. (a) and (b) to (f) may be refused because the person making
the request is unwilling to be identified or to state the purpose of
the request. Except as authorized under this paragraph, no request
under pars. (a) to (f) may be refused because the request is
received by mail, unless prepayment of a fee is required under sub.
(3) (f). A requester may be required to show acceptable identification
whenever the requested record is kept at a private residence
or whenever security reasons or federal law or regulations so
require.
GLOCK21GB
Campaign Veteran
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I guess what I wa soriginally asking was..someone had made a detailed school zone map of Milwaukee , and thats the kind of thing I was asking for.
I guess what I wa soriginally asking was..someone had made a detailed school zone map of Milwaukee , and thats the kind of thing I was asking for.
GLOCK21GB
Campaign Veteran
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RugerMan wrote:
RugerMan wrote:
interesting , If so, then they failed, I would see that map and avoid those areas completely. I know just what they want.
Doug Huffman
Banned
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The law is an ass that lawyers ride to work.
The law is an ass that lawyers ride to work.
Flyer22
Regular Member
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Glock34 wrote:
What if you're in a hurry one day,forget where the boundaries are, and get pulled over in the school zone for speeding? Or what if you're OCing in somebody else's car, not paying attention to the route, and he gets pulled over?
I think this is one of those situations where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Glock34 wrote:
What if you're in a hurry one day,forget where the boundaries are, and get pulled over in the school zone for speeding? Or what if you're OCing in somebody else's car, not paying attention to the route, and he gets pulled over?
I think this is one of those situations where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
GLOCK21GB
Campaign Veteran
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Flyer22 wrote:
Flyer22 wrote:
possibly yes.
Interceptor_Knight
Regular Member
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The city has already created one as a result of the meetings we have had. When I go sign the paperwork tomorrow, I will request a copy.
The city has already created one as a result of the meetings we have had. When I go sign the paperwork tomorrow, I will request a copy.
Shotgun
Wisconsin Carry, Inc.
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RugerMan wrote:
Secondly, a prosecutor's "line of questioning?" Ever heard of the 5th Amendment?
To me, it is better to be familiar with the school zones in an area you might wish to frequently carry a gun than it is to rely on the "I was ignorant" defense in court.
RugerMan wrote:
Just because you have a map doesn't mean you have memorized it. Who could memorize the Milwaukee map?
Secondly, a prosecutor's "line of questioning?" Ever heard of the 5th Amendment?
To me, it is better to be familiar with the school zones in an area you might wish to frequently carry a gun than it is to rely on the "I was ignorant" defense in court.