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    As I was entering the library a guy in a tie and a name tag said:

    "Excuse me sir, are you in law enforcement?"

    I told him I wasn't and he responded that Library policy only allows LEO's onto the premises with weapons. Considering that I have come to the library often I was a bit surprised by this and asked him if this was the PUBLIC library. He told me it was but that it was private property.

    I wasn't going to argue the point at that time because he was only doing as he was told and I wanted to be 100% sure that I was right before I continued moving this up the pike. I asked him for his business card and he gave me his bosses and wrote his name on back along and also gave me a copy of an "Appropriate Library Behavior" pamphlet just so I didn't think he was making it up. He was very pleasent and I don't begrudge him at all but I am curious; is Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh publically funded and as such aren't they prohibited from telling me that I cannot be in their with my sidearm?

    The funny thing on the pamphlet he gave me was this:

    In order to provide a safe and comfortable enviroment, the following are NOT PERMITTED in the library:

    - Weapons
    There were more than that but it got me thinking, if im a black belt in karate my hands are weapons, an old codger's walking stick who knows cane fu or not is a weapon, hell, a heavy enough BOOK is a weapon...I find this arbirtrary and I think its against the law in regards to pre-emption. Furthermore, how is disarming me making the enviroment any more safe...in fact it has the opposite effect.

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    While I certainly agree with you, you may have missed their 'comfortable' point. The hoplophobe is uncomfortable around responsible people.

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    I concur Doug, but what about MY comfort level? The Liberal establishmentis all freedom and free speech unless its not their company line.

    Anyways, I found on the board of trustees some interesting names...or rather positions:

    Reverend Ricky V. Burgess (City Council Member)

    John DeFazio (County Representative)

    William Isler (Board of Education Representative)

    Bruce Kraus (City Representative)

    Barbara Logan (County Representative)

    Chuck McCullough (County Representative)

    Alice Mitinger (County Representative)

    James Motznik[/b] (City Representative)

    Tonya Payne [/b](City Representative)

    Terri Wolfe (City of Pittsburgh Mayor Representative)
    Now, to me this seems that if the Library has representatives for the County and City and that they are also publically funded that they should have to follow the law of 18 PA.C.S. § 6120

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    The Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh is organized as a trust and is recognized by the IRS (in Publication 78) as a public charity under 501(c)(3).

    As such it is a private entity that is supported by public, government and private, funds. Under the law it is treated as private property.

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    CowboyKen wrote:
    The Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh is organized as a trust and is recognized by the IRS (in Publication 78) as a public charity under 501(c)(3).

    As such it is a private entity that is supported by public, government and private, funds.* Under the law it is treated as private property.

    Ken
    Thats unfortunate.

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    Cowboy Ken is correct, but there is one more thing to check: the property tax listing.



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    KBCraig wrote:
    Cowboy Ken is correct, but there is one more thing to check: the property tax listing.

    I have not checked the records, but at a guess,as a public charity, they are exempt from property taxes.

    Ken

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    CowboyKen wrote:
    KBCraig wrote:
    Cowboy Ken is correct, but there is one more thing to check: the property tax listing.

    I have not checked the records, but at a guess,as a public charity, they are exempt from property taxes.

    Ken
    Even then, the listing will show the owner of record, and that's what is in question here.

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    I'm sitting in CLP Brookline right now and I don't think any of the librarians even noticed I'm carrying. Huzzah!

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    I was in the South Side library and nary a word was said about it.

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