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    So I appeared at King County Superior Court today as a witness to a trial, and I checked my weapon. It was the first time doing so as well. When I got to the screener, I let her know I had a weapon to check, so she called over a deputy to escort me to a small room. He led me to the lock box, and had me remove my firearm and place it in the box. After that, he just sent me on my way. I never once had to go through the metal detector.

    I thought to myself that if I were a criminal, I could have easily snuck a weapon inside. I guess they forgot to have me to back through the detector again.

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    You may very well be a criminal, now! Who knows what you might have accidentally had on you that is banned by court regulations!

    I remember the last trip I made to court, they refused me entry because I had a handcuff key on my keyring. Wasn't a problem the first couple of times I was there, but apparently the last time it was a no-no. Oh well.

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    LOL I have a handcuff key on my keyring as well. That's rather odd that they wouldn't let you pass with it.

    I guess they can never be too safe. You might uncuff a detained individual!

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
    LOL I have a handcuff key on my keyring as well. That's rather odd that they wouldn't let you pass with it.

    I guess they can never be too safe. You might uncuff a detained individual!
    Or myself. Maybe they segment the arraignments and other meetings from the actual trails, where you could potentially be locked up.

    Anyway, welcome to the world of no longer being a law abiding citizen, you contraband-smuggling-into-court-evildoer you.

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    They've not let me enter with a handcuff key on either.

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    God. I thoght I was weird for having a handcuff key, and here y'all are coming out of the woodwork. :P


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    I use them to handcuff the girl...err criminals.



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    Kildars wrote:
    I use them to handcuff the girl...err criminals.

    Lol!

    I got mine when I was a security guard.

    I kept it for the ladies!

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    grishnav wrote:
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    I use them to handcuff the girl...err criminals.

    Lol!

    I got mine when I was a security guard.

    I kept it for the ladies!
    I don't think they even noticed the hand cuff key. I've passed through several different court screeners multiple times with a hand cuff key on my key chain.. no one has said a word. Courts I've to are: Des Moines, Kent, King County (both Kent and Seattle) and Enumclaw/Maple Valley. No I wasn't a defendant in any of those, either.

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    I never once had to go through the metal detector.
    Wow, sounds like a serious flaw in their security protocol. Hopefully someone at KCSC is reading this and taking it to heart.

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    Well as soon as I got to the metal detector, I told the screener I needed to check a weapon. A deputy then came over and escorted me to an office. After checking my firearm, he never ordered me to go back through the metal detector. It was probably just a slip on his behalf. Maybe not many people check weapons there?

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    Dog tags and a handcuff key - never an issue.

    Why recheck a law abiding citizen who wants to check their weapon?

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    Why recheck a law abiding citizen who wants to check their weapon?
    I would have thought the security risk here was obvious; PM me if you want me to explain it.

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    Might be a good Idea to write a commendation letter, leave out the other thoughts but just commend them for being professional and not having issues with providing you with a lock box. We need to remember to reinforce good behavior and not just harp on the negative.

    Funny thing is I used to have a handcuff key....so far is that 5 in one thread?
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Might be a good Idea to write a commendation letter, leave out the other thoughts but just commend them for being professional and not having issues with providing you with a lock box. We need to remember to reinforce good behavior and not just harp on the negative.

    Funny thing is I used to have a handcuff key....so far is that 5 in one thread?
    Boy, I feel like a loser . . . no handcuff key here. Yet.

    I agree about the positive letter. However, I think I would also mention the problem with not going back through the metal detector again -- that's a loophole that none of us want to have a BG exploit. Especially now that it's public.

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    I think it was just a simple error on the deputies behalf.

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    I don't have a handcuff key, but I do have a 5.11 belt which has a little place to put a key on the backside of it. Would something that small set off the detector?

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    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    I don't have a handcuff key, but I do have a 5.11 belt which has a little place to put a key on the backside of it. Would something that small set off the detector?
    If the metal on the belt don't set it off I doubt the key in the belt would.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    While I don't carry a handcuff key on my key ring, and never have. I have had 2 hanging from my rear view mirror, in whatever car I primarily drive, for about 11 years now. They used to hang from a leather strap, but my eldest niece made me a red, white and blue friendship bracelet about 5 years ago, and now they hang from that.

    I have only had a very few people in all that time make any mention of them.

    I originally put them there as backups when I rode bike patrol in the University District, and used to lock my bike up with a pair of handcuffs whenever I went inside somewhere. The Ave rats always knew which bikes belonged to the security patrol.

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
    So I appeared at King County Superior Court today as a witness to a trial, and I checked my weapon. It was the first time doing so as well. When I got to the screener, I let her know I had a weapon to check, so she called over a deputy to escort me to a small room. He led me to the lock box, and had me remove my firearm and place it in the box. After that, he just sent me on my way. I never once had to go through the metal detector.

    I thought to myself that if I were a criminal, I could have easily snuck a weapon inside. I guess they forgot to have me to back through the detector again.
    They assumed (and wrongly so) that a criminal would not volunteer the presence of a firearm and need a gun-locker before entering court. That's lax security.

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    shad0wfax wrote:
    Aaron1124 wrote:
    So I appeared at King County Superior Court today as a witness to a trial, and I checked my weapon. It was the first time doing so as well. When I got to the screener, I let her know I had a weapon to check, so she called over a deputy to escort me to a small room. He led me to the lock box, and had me remove my firearm and place it in the box. After that, he just sent me on my way. I never once had to go through the metal detector.

    I thought to myself that if I were a criminal, I could have easily snuck a weapon inside. I guess they forgot to have me to back through the detector again.
    They assumed (and wrongly so) that a criminal would not volunteer the presence of a firearm and need a gun-locker before entering court. That's lax security.
    Yep. Exactly. If I were a "bad guy" I could have had an additional sidearm on my other side that they wouldn't have known about.

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