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    http://www.texarkanagazette.com/news...-annual-20.php

    Harrelson talks potential laws at annual conventionState bills could include open carry, ‘Castle Doctrine’
    By: Marie Martin - Texarkana Gazette -Published: 08/07/2009

    Arkansas State Rep. Steve Harrelson, D-Texarkana, asked a room full of police officers Thursday about two “hot button” issues that may be coming in future legislation—the stand your ground and the open carry gun laws.

    “I believe in the Second Amendment and I am a gun collector,” said Harrelson, the House majority leader, before asking for a show of hands.

    Not one of the nearly 70 officers raised a hand in support of the open carry law, which would allow Arkansans to carry handguns openly with a license and a holster.

    Harrelson spoke Thursday at the 73rd annual Arkansas Municipal Police Association Convention at Texarkana’s LaCrosse Hotel.

    In March, Arkansas State Rep. Mark Martin, R-Prairie Grove, introduced House Bill 2184, also called “the Arkansas Open Carry Law.” It stalled in committee before the 87th session ended in April, Harrelson said.

    The bill, which could present itself again in Arkansas’ 2011 nonfiscal session, defined plain sight as “not hidden or concealed from observation and in open view. “Plain sight” includes a handgun that is holstered as long as the holster is not hidden or concealed from observation.

    The second issue, called “stand your ground law” or “Castle Doctrine” by supporters and “shoot first law” by opponents, would allow homeowners to use deadly force if someone is trying to come onto one’s property without an invitation or authorization. Fifty percent of the officers in the room raised hands in support of the bill, which was first presented to Arkansas legislators in 2006. A watered-down version passed without changing the law, only the wording. It could be presented again in 2011.

    Harrelson said the officers risk their lives every day to protect the general public and their feedback is important information for a legislator.

    Florida has a shoot first law and was one of the first states to expand self-defense protection for incidents that would have formerly been classified as manslaughter or murder. As of 2006, 15 states have adopted a similar law, according to the Website shootfirst.org.

    The law allows homeowners to shoot first and ask questions later.

    “Right now, Arkansas law says it’s (a citizen’s) duty to retreat if they can. You don’t have the authority to use deadly force,” Harrelson said by phone Thursday.


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    Just tried going to the site shootfirst.org and nothing is there.

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    KBCraig wrote:
    Not one of the nearly 70 officers raised a hand in support of the open carry law, which would allow Arkansans to carry handguns openly with a license and a holster.
    Still confused about which side they're on?

    Curious, why is a representative of the People's House asking the servants for their opinions on the freedoms of their masters?

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    The problem, of course, is the whole bogus issue of passing a law to "allow" OC with a permit. No bureaucrat/politician/police chief is going to want to be on record favoring such a thing. That takes guts.

    It would be better to just talk of eliminating the present law so OC is no longer ILLEGAL. That would bring Arkansas into line with the majority of states which also have no law against it.

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    I have kin in beautiful Arkansas, some living and many buried there, and many fought and some died in the War for Arkansas from 1861-1865. I can now carry conceal in Arkansas and I want to be able to carry open in Arkansas.

    Many Peace Officers oppose conceal and open carry because it threats their job security (their meal ticket for life for their families).

    Many Peace Officers oppose conceal and open carry because you are a threat to their "Union Job".

    Think about it, how many Pro 2A Pro Gun Peace Officers do you know would have stood up in that room and said Yes I support it ? Why would they not - the word would get back to their Bosses which would effect their job assignments, promotions, their families income, etc

    Understand most Peace Officers are not Gun People - many would rather not have to carry guns - Peace Officers for the very most part of today are not the Peace Officers of years gone by nor are they Matt Dillon, John Wayne, Chuck Connors, Roy Rogers, Clint Eastwood, Andy Griffth, etc

    Below is some information I hope you find helpful

    Here is an outstanding POC: The MONTANA GUN GURU, he has moreor less singlely handed made concealand open carry in Montana happen.

    Gary Marbut, president
    Montana Shooting Sports Association
    http://www.mtssa.org
    author, Gun Laws of Montana
    http://www.mtpublish.com
    e-mail address
    mssa@mtssa.org


    Contact and organize - local and State level Gun Organizations - form an Army on Paper - get everyone to sign the Arkansas Open Carry Petition

    Note Georgiabelow is doing awaywith the BS about need a permit for open carry.

    Note Read the Montana law on the link - A to Z - the entire law not just the part I posted.


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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/29626.html

    now you have Georgia, California, and Montana as an example.

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    http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m3d2-Georgia-legislator-introduces-bill-to-repeal-permit-requirement-to-open-carry-handguns

    THIS IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE ARTICLE - TEXANS COULD USE THIS AS A PATTERN AND EXAMPLE FOR TEXAS

    Unlike most states, Georgia requires a permit to carry an unconcealed handgun.But now Georgia State Representative Tim Bearden (R – Carroll and Douglas Counties) seeks to change that by introducing HB 615.

    Already attracting 5 co-sponsors in the Georgia legislature, HB 615 does a number of things to comprehensively reform Georgia’s onerous gun carry laws, but the centerpiece of the bill is Section 3 which repeals the requirement to have a permit to carry an unconcealed handgun.Bearden, a former police officer and rising star in the eyes of gun rights experts, has a good track record at getting good gun bills passed.Just last year this junior legislator’s HB 89 repealed Georgia’s gun carry bans in state parks, airports, as well as restaurants serving alcohol.
    But Georgia’s HB 615 is also a sign of the growing strength of the open carry movement highlighted last year by ABC Nightline News the night before the Supreme Court released the D.C. v. Heller decision quashing the DC gun ban on second Amendment grounds.In many states, even California, the open carrying of handguns is on the rise.
    And in the 6 states banning open carry (see clickable map below), 5 state wide online petitions have gathered almost a hundred thousand signatures calling for action.4 state legislatures have answered these calls so far as follows:
    South Carolina & Oklahoma:Bills introduced.
    Texas & Arkansas:Bills drafted.


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    In Montana OPEN Carry was never against the law, but in some parts of the State of Montana dim witted Peace Officers and govt lawyers, would call it distrubing the peace. So Montana just a few months passed into law HB 228, the part below deals with OPEN carry. Montana will try to again get rid of Para # 3 about carry on college campus.

    The total law is 8 pages, mostly deals with conceal and use of force.

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    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billpdf/HB0228.pdf


    Section 2. Openly carrying weapon -- display -- exemption.
    (1) Any person who is not otherwise


    prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another


    person the fact that the person has a weapon.


    (2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the


    person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing


    or presenting a weapon.


    (3) This section does not limit the authority of the board of regents or other postsecondary institutions

    to regulate the carrying of weapons, as defined in 45-8-361(5)(b), on their campuses

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    It would be better to just talk of eliminating the present law so OC is no longer ILLEGAL. That would bring Arkansas into line with the majority of states which also have no law against it.
    Not only do they have no laws against it, many have laws expressly permitting it.
    The First protects the Second, and the Second protects the First. Together, they protect the rest of our Bill of Rights and our United States Constitution, and help We the People protect ourselves in the spirit of our Declaration of Independence.

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    since9 wrote:
    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    It would be better to just talk of eliminating the present law so OC is no longer ILLEGAL. That would bring Arkansas into line with the majority of states which also have no law against it.
    Not only do they have no laws against it, many have laws expressly permitting it.
    How many do you consider 'many'?

    Can you reference a source for this claim?
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    IMO one of the problems with law enforcement today is...They can not do the REAL job they need to do....Governments are to busy inventing NEW ways to generate REVENUE in the name of Safety and Health.

    It is easy to pass the laws and often target the few rather than the many...I myself would in fact pay fora License ( tax ) to generate revenue if allowed to open carry.

    Maybe worded as REVENUE for these Law Happy Writing elected might pave the way for the end result....at least until the people can unite to take back their country.

    It is OUR right...however these REVENUE GENERATORS in Office have proven they have no intention of slowing down on finding ways to get more of our money.

    Maybe we should play that game, to get the law passed...baby steps.

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    it's a damn shame; we would ralley to their (police) defense, help them the best we could, testify in court on their behalf, and yet they spit on us. we obey the laws, to the damn letter, are courteous and polite, study and study, and still we are shamed because we desire to protect ourselves, and our loved ones. shame on them.

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    *sigh* Guess I'll stay out East a little longer, then. :?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Do you think that some southern states don't allow OC because it would hurt there image? Several times on the news when refering to OC they make comments about hows its"illegal in texas of all places".

    I wonder if legislators are hesitant to change that to "of course it's legal in Texas".

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    I found a website against the castle doctrine. Look at what I found!

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    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
    I found a website against the castle doctrine. Look at what I found!
    Shootfirstlaw.org is pure Brady Bunch disinformation.
    http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/

    Fortunately, the have all but dried up and blown away.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Hollowpoint38 wrote:
    I found a website against the castle doctrine. Look at what I found!
    Shootfirstlaw.org is pure Brady Bunch disinformation.
    http://www.shootfirstlaw.org/

    Fortunately, the have all but dried up and blown away.

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    Hmm, registered via DomainsByProxy out of Arizona.

    At least the Brady Bunch admits they own it.

    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    Arkansas Municipal Police Association meets again

    This organization met again starting today through Friday. I'll try to post the happenings, if they publish them.

    Here is an article about it:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-33857-Fort...ry-legislation

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