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    Since we were talking about this last night at the OC dinner, and I had a few free minutes today, I decided to take a stab at this.

    I just sent an email to the General Manager outlining the issue at hand - I'll post a response if I get one.
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    Anyone a member of the We Surround Them project? They are having a meeting there this Saturday. Perfect opportunity to test the waters. The next big public even is a coin and collectible show in September. The auto show in January is usually popular as well.

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/event-calendar.html

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    vt357 wrote:
    Anyone a member of the We Surround Them project? They are having a meeting there this Saturday. Perfect opportunity to test the waters. The next big public even is a coin and collectible show in September. The auto show in January is usually popular as well.

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/event-calendar.html
    I am, but will be out of town. I may have to test the auto show.

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    so where is the no guns policy?
    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    so where is the no guns policy?
    http://www.richmondcenter.com/facility-rules.html
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    And for those who are wondering about the first part of the question... it's right on their web site:

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/about-us.html

    Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority
    The Greater Richmond Convention Center was built as a result of regional cooperation between the City of Richmond and the surrounding counties of Henrico, Chesterfield and Hanover. The Greater Richmond Convention Center is owned by the Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority, which is composed of these governmental entities and the Retail Merchants Association of Greater Richmond.


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    TFred wrote:
    And for those who are wondering about the first part of the question... it's right on their web site:

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/about-us.html

    Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority
    The Greater Richmond Convention Center was built as a result of regional cooperation between the City of Richmond and the surrounding counties of Henrico, Chesterfield and Hanover. The Greater Richmond Convention Center is owned by the Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority, which is composed of these governmental entities and the Retail Merchants Association of Greater Richmond.


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    This sounds like something VCDL should be looking into. If it is owned by those local governments, wouldn't that prohibition be illegal? I would think it would be like Waterside in Norfolk.


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    Goliath wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    And for those who are wondering about the first part of the question... it's right on their web site:

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/about-us.html

    Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority
    The Greater Richmond Convention Center was built as a result of regional cooperation between the City of Richmond and the surrounding counties of Henrico, Chesterfield and Hanover. The Greater Richmond Convention Center is owned by the Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority, which is composed of these governmental entities and the Retail Merchants Association of Greater Richmond.


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    This sounds like something VCDL should be looking into. If it is owned by those local governments, wouldn't that prohibition be illegal? I would think it would be like Waterside in Norfolk.
    Let's see where my email gets us first.
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    Goliath wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    And for those who are wondering about the first part of the question... it's right on their web site:

    http://www.richmondcenter.com/about-us.html

    Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority
    The Greater Richmond Convention Center was built as a result of regional cooperation between the City of Richmond and the surrounding counties of Henrico, Chesterfield and Hanover. The Greater Richmond Convention Center is owned by the Greater Richmond Convention Center Authority, which is composed of these governmental entities and the Retail Merchants Association of Greater Richmond.


    TFred

    This sounds like something VCDL should be looking into. If it is owned by those local governments, wouldn't that prohibition be illegal? I would think it would be like Waterside in Norfolk.
    i sent them an email before too.. VCDL is looking into it.
    Carry On.

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    ProShooter - I wrote them back in the spring over this. They gave me a cc response, not an oc response. Thier stance is that as they have an ABC license, the carry of concealed guns is not allowed by law. (I was not asking about cc...)

    I let it sit idle at the time due to what was happening at the Richmond Colisium. I believe we're still waiting for the City of Richmond to advise us as to their policy - which by this point, I take it the City intends to let the issue die a quiet death.

    The outcome of the Colisium incident, *should* apply to the convention center as well.



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    Armed wrote:
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    ProShooter - I wrote them back in the spring over this. They gave me a cc response, not an oc response. Thier stance is that as they have an ABC license, the carry of concealed guns is not allowed by law. (I was not asking about cc...)

    I let it sit idle at the time due to what was happening at the Richmond Colisium. I believe we're still waiting for the City of Richmond to advise us as to their policy - which by this point, I take it the City intends to let the issue die a quiet death.

    The outcome of the Colisium incident, *should* apply to the convention center as well.

    Armed - good to know, thanks. It would seem that although they gave you a response, their written policy says otherwise and needs to be updated at best. If the ABC license covers the entire facility, then their policy should only prohibit CC. I'm awaiting their reply.
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    ProShooter wrote:
    Armed wrote:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/26194-2.html

    ProShooter - I wrote them back in the spring over this. They gave me a cc response, not an oc response. Thier stance is that as they have an ABC license, the carry of concealed guns is not allowed by law. (I was not asking about cc...)

    I let it sit idle at the time due to what was happening at the Richmond Colisium. I believe we're still waiting for the City of Richmond to advise us as to their policy - which by this point, I take it the City intends to let the issue die a quiet death.

    The outcome of the Colisium incident, *should* apply to the convention center as well.

    Armed - good to know, thanks. It would seem that although they gave you a response, their written policy says otherwise and needs to be updated at best. If the ABC license covers the entire facility, then their policy should only prohibit CC. I'm awaiting their reply.
    I have a hard time believing that they have a blanket Restaurant or Club ABC license.

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    Icetera wrote:
    I have a hard time believing that they have a blanket Restaurant or Club ABC license.
    I was just thinking the exact same thing!
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    ProShooter wrote:
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    I have a hard time believing that they have a blanket Restaurant or Club ABC license.
    I was just thinking the exact same thing!
    I cannot seem to locate a license for The Richmond Convention Center, but I may need to check other names/organizations. So far I found to catering companies, one of which lst theirs and posted RIR and the Coliseum while I was in there.





    57663
    Richmond International Raceway
    Aramark Sports & Entertainment Services LLC
    Food Concession
    Stadium
    VoluntarySurrender


    14148
    Richmond Coliseum
    SMG Food and Beverage LLC
    Food Concession
    Coliseum
    Active



    76123
    Richmond Ctr For Conventions Exhibit
    Thompson Hospitality LP
    Mixed Beverage Caterer

    Withdrawn




    76124
    Richmond Ctr For Conventions Exhibit
    Thompson Hospitality LP
    Restaurant
    Non-Government Property
    VoluntarySurrender
    VoluntarySurrender

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    Icetera wrote:
    I cannot seem to locate a license for Rthe Richmond Convetion Center, but I may need to check other names/organizations. So far I found to catering companies, one of which lst theirs and posted RIR and the Coliseum while I was in there.


    Its under "Greater Richmond Convention Center" with "ter" getting dropped off the end as the name field is too small.
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    ProShooter wrote:
    Icetera wrote:
    I cannot seem to locate a license for Rthe Richmond Convetion Center, but I may need to check other names/organizations. So far I found to catering companies, one of which lst theirs and posted RIR and the Coliseum while I was in there.


    Its under "Greater Richmond Convention Center" with "ter" getting dropped off the end as the name field is too small.



    It sure is, though I figured my search for "Richmond" should have caught it. Found it searching by zip code.

    30014
    Greater Richmond Convention Center
    Aramark Sports & Entertainment Services LLC
    Restaurant
    Non-Government Property
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    14380
    Greater Richmond Convention Center
    Fine Host Corp
    Restaurant
    Non-Government Property
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    VoluntarySurrender

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    Its a weird search function....difficult to use at times.
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    I didn't do the search myself, but just wondering, why does it say "non-government property"?

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    This was apparently a one day permit for a specific function.

    Do not know why it says for a non-governmental property unless a lessee of the center took constructive possession - same as when you rent a home.

    14380
    Greater Richmond Convention Center
    Fine Host Corp
    Restaurant
    Non-Government Property
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    VoluntarySurrender

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    This was apparently a one day permit for a specific function.

    Do not know why it says for a non-governmental property unless a lessee of the center took constructive possession - same as when you rent a home.

    14380
    Greater Richmond Convention Center
    Fine Host Corp
    Restaurant
    Non-Government Property
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    VoluntarySurrender

    Yata hey
    I think you may be on to something there, as one blanket restuarant license escapes logic (oh, government, nevermind...).



    Here is the labels for the fields, which may make these more understandable:





    License
    Trade Name
    Company Name
    Establishment Type
    Establishment Sub-Type
    Wine and Beer Status
    Mixed Beverage Status

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    See my separate thread, with a question about "Establishment Type". I didn't want to hi-jack this thread too far...

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/29857.html

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    License
    30014

    Trade Name
    Greater Richmond Convention Center

    Company Name
    Aramark Sports & Entertainment Services LLC

    Establishment Type
    Restaurant

    Establishment Sub-Type
    Non-Government Property

    Address
    403 N 3rd St

    Richmond
    VA23219

    Origination Date
    12/10/2004

    Privilege Description
    Wine and Beer On Premises

    Privilege Status
    Active

    Effective Date
    10/01/2008

    Expiration Date
    09/30/2009

    Renewal Date
    09/15/2009

    Mixed Beverage Privilege
    Description
    Mixed Beverage Restaurant (Seating Capacity - over 150 seats)

    Privilege Status
    Active

    Effective Date
    10/01/2008

    Expiration Date
    09/30/2009

    Renewal Date
    09/15/2009


    Aramak is the Food Service Provider at the Greater Richmond Convention Center. I do not see how they would create an ABC license for the facility itself, but does explain why it is listed as "Non-GovernmentProperty."



    License
    14380

    Trade Name
    Greater Richmond Convention Center

    Company Name
    Fine Host Corp

    Establishment Type
    Restaurant

    Establishment Sub-Type
    Non-Government Property

    Address
    300 North 5th Street &
    403 North 3rd Street
    Richmond
    VA23219

    Origination Date
    11/19/2001

    Privilege Description
    Wine and Beer On Premises

    Privilege Status
    VoluntarySurrender

    Effective Date
    11/30/2004

    Expiration Date
    11/30/2004

    Renewal Date


    Mixed Beverage Privilege
    Description
    Mixed Beverage Restaurant (Seating Capacity - over 150 seats)

    Privilege Status
    VoluntarySurrender

    Effective Date
    11/30/2004

    Expiration Date
    11/30/2004

    Renewal Date



    That one expired, so no issue.



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    TFred wrote:
    See my separate thread, with a question about "Establishment Type". I didn't want to hi-jack this thread too far...

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/29857.html

    TFred
    You certainly bring up a great point, though as far as the Convention Center, I am not convinced that they even have a solid ABC license other than a Food Service that operates there. I cannot recall seeing achohol sales (if any refreshments at all) at the car shows, for example.

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    Armed wrote:
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    ProShooter - I wrote them back in the spring over this. They gave me a cc response, not an oc response. Thier stance is that as they have an ABC license, the carry of concealed guns is not allowed by law. (I was not asking about cc...)

    I let it sit idle at the time due to what was happening at the Richmond Colisium. I believe we're still waiting for the City of Richmond to advise us as to their policy - which by this point, I take it the City intends to let the issue die a quiet death.

    The outcome of the Colisium incident, *should* apply to the convention center as well.
    Based on the confusion I find in the ABC database, it would seem the next logical question to them is "What is your ABC License number?"

    Clearly these are the kind of folks who are used to people just going away after hearing a nonsensical response to legitimate questions.

    TFred


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    From the Richmond Convention website (http://www.richmondcenter.com/cyber-cafe.html):
    Food & Beverage Area
    The Cyber Café also features a food and beverage area* that serves hot and cold beverages and light fare. Operated by Aramark, the food & beverage area of the Café is your place for "grab & go" food for the conventioneer on the run!

    *Hours for the food and beverage area of the Café may vary based upon event activity.

    If I recall, this is located on the Sotuhern end of the main building within the main lobby area. The license may be for this facility.

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