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    After all the forward momentum we have both seen and help implement that tookplace in this state, Brad & Jesus getting arrested, and all the city officials that have gone ballistic with JB's memo, all the police departments using internal memo's basically stating "O-C is a legal protected right, Hands off, or wear kid-gloves when handling" but Madison goes the other way and still arrests people and charges them with D-C.

    Are we as a group going to sit back and do nothing in support of Travis andnot make our voices heard about our displeasure with the city of Madisons blatant dismissal of our guaranteed rights.

    If I am typing a bit incoherrently right now, I apologize. I am pissed-off to no end over the event that involved Travis.
    We need to protest these actions by exercising our 2A rights and converging on the city of Madison to show our intolerance of our guaranteed rights being violated by the Madison Police department.

    Can someone link to the internal memo that was posted earlier this year after JB's memo, and how they stated O-C would be handled properly? I had it, But cannot find it.

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    http://www.cityofmadison.com/police/...Spring2009.pdf

    Disorderly Conduct—Visible Weapons
    Wisconsin’s Attorney General recently released an advisory
    memorandum discussing the applicability of the disorderly
    conduct statute to individuals openly carrying firearms. The
    central point of the memorandum was: “mere open carry of a
    firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should
    not result in a disorderly conduct charge.” Many have asked
    what impact, if any, this has on MPD officers’ decisions
    when confronted with these types of situations. The short
    answer is that this does not change the way in which MPD
    officers respond to reports of people openly carrying
    firearms. A few points:

    First, it is important to realize that the memorandum is
    advisory only, and is for “educational and informational”
    purposes. It does not in any way restrict the legal authority
    of officers to take action or of individual prosecutors to
    pursue charges.

    Second, the memo only addressed the applicability of the
    disorderly conduct statute to the open carrying of a firearm.
    It did not in any way address any other firearm-related
    statutes.

    Third, the memo confirms that officers in most
    circumstances can stop a person openly carrying a firearm in
    public to investigate possible criminal activity.

    Finally, a close reading of the memo makes it clear that the
    Attorney General’s position is simply that a disorderly
    conduct charge is not automatically appropriate anytime
    someone is openly carrying a firearm. The examples
    provided by the memo illustrate this:

    • “a hunter openly carrying a rifle or shotgun on his property
    during hunting season while quietly tracking game should not
    face a disorderly conduct charge. But if the same hunter
    carries the same rifle or shotgun through a crowded street
    while barking at passerby, the conduct may lose…its
    protection.”

    • “A person openly carrying a holstered handgun on his own
    property while doing lawn work should not face a disorderly
    conduct charge…if, however, a person brandishes a handgun
    in public, the conduct may lose its…protection.”

    So, MPD officers responding to reports of an individual
    openly carrying a firearm should continue to respond as was
    the case prior to this memo’s release. The suspect should
    generally be detained, using proper tactics to ensure officer
    and community safety. Officers should then conduct an
    investigation to determine whether an arrest is appropriate.
    To support a disorderly conduct charge it will continue to be
    necessary to show that the carrying of the firearm—under
    those particular circumstances—was the type of behavior
    that caused, or tends to cause, a disturbance. The location of
    the incident, the behavior of the suspect and the reactions of
    witnesses will all be relevant to this determination.

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    Nuts, it might be beneficial to post this memo as its own thread topic and let the national visitors see the crap from Madistan without having to avoid our internal coordination of events.

    Plus, that way you can always find it.

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    re-reading that Madison PD memo has now got my blood boiling even more.

    The city obviouslytookthe AG's memoas a challenge to get around the laws that are in place protect us from the police. TheAG's statement thata citizen in possession of aholstered gun is not evidence that a crime is afoot, nor is it probable cause for detainment has obviously fallen on deaf ears and blind eyes!

    Maybe we need to sticky the Madsion memo in a split-screen page with the AG's memo side by side so others can understand the government hypocrisy we are forced to endure in Wisconsin. This crap has got to end, I would like to see the Madison PD try to arrest 50 or more citizens legally possessing a sidearm. What are they going to do, bring out the SWAT team for people exercising their rights.


    does anyone care to join me in Madsion this coming weekend to go about armed on State St.? let me know.

    Thanks for getting that up so quick Doug, I have been using multiple external hard-drives, and I did not know which one I had it on,

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    Nutczak wrote:
    re-reading that Madison PD memo has now got my blood boiling even more.

    The city obviouslytookthe AG's memoas a challenge to get around the laws that are in place protect us from the police. TheAG's statement thata citizen in possession of aholstered gun is not evidence that a crime is afoot, nor is it probable cause for detainment has obviously fallen on deaf ears and blind eyes!

    Maybe we need to sticky the Madison memo in a split-screen page with the AG's memo side by side so others can understand the government hypocrisy we are forced to endure in Wisconsin. This crap has got to end, I would like to see the Madison PD try to arrest 50 or more citizens legally possessing a sidearm. What are they going to do, bring out the SWAT team for people exercising their rights.


    does anyone care to join me in Madison this coming weekend to go about armed on State St.? let me know.

    Thanks for getting that up so quick Doug, I have been using multiple external hard-drives, and I did not know which one I had it on,
    Looking at how far your "little" trip is, I would feel compelled to also go. I would like someone that knows the Madison area very well to come also, as I do not know the locations of any schools. To be honest, I do not even know my way around the city at all... Is not Shotgun from the Madison area? Shotgun, you up for it?

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    A quick search on the Madison Metro School District website yielded this pdf map of the city and school locations.

    http://drupal.madison.k12.wi.us/file...p_Detailed.pdf

    Some of the marks are hard to see, but presumably all of their schools are noted on the map. The downtown area looks golden for an OC event, believe many members have stated that before.

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    Thanks for the map. I'llsave a copy. Well any Madison people on the site? I would love to walk around your home town for a few hours. You could show me the good places to get lunch (and still OC).

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    I bet shotgun will be in for a walk, he's from Madison. But I'll let him speak for himself.
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the fool's heart to the left."

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    I'm willing I have enough money for gas and lunch if anyone else is from the pierce or St Croix county area I would also be up for a little car pooling.

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    I might be able to.
    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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