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    I just personally with my own two eyes watch a Jackson County Judge basically give police permission to stop someone with a handgun and detain them. He was given information to the Supreme Court verdicts saying that this is ILLEGAL, but failed to read it. I'll let the person who was involved in this situation talk more about when they feel like chiming in!

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    If this is true, and if it gets carried out, it must be followed up by any potential victims with an unforgiving federal lawsuit against the judge, the police, or both. There isn't much else to say on the matter.
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    To the person who "will be chiming in", or anybody else who may know more about this, keep your post simple. If a lawsuit is filed you don't want to let any evidence out of the bag until the court case.

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    So in effect what this judge is saying is that case law doesn't matter when legislating from the bench
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    Pretty much! Apparently he doesn't seem to care what a court above him has to say...even the Supreme Court!

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    hopefully this judges name is publicly announced. This cannot stand.

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    make sure the audio recorders are running! Sounds like a judge who does so, by personal opinion, rather that what the laws state.
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    Maybe the judge read my thread.

    Folks,

    This is a sign of things to come.

    As the economy gets worse and worse in our country, it is only natural that a government would take steps to maintain an order that can quickly fade or fall apart when society experiences loss of stability (or use poor economic situations to further expand it's power). The reaction to certain events is often an encroachment upon individual rights, and in these times it has been happening at a fast pace.

    They've been trying to "reason" and rationalize our rights away for many years, with many rights, and many cases. It's only a matter of time before rights previously held sacred (and upheld by the highest court) will be ignored by agents of the government such as this.

    They've been trampling the Constitution for years. Did you really think it would stop with the Supreme Court ruling on something.

    Maybe nobody was paying attention in all the afterglow of the Heller decision, but I noticed. The court went to GREAT lengths to rationalize the authority of the government to place certain restrictions. They even LIED and said that early Americans did not have privately owned cannon.



    What this judge did is outrageous, and I certainly hope he is named in a suite (if one ever comes about). He/She needs sever punishment for the tyrannical trampling of citizen's rights.

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    This was also a concern of mine when the LEAF document was first released saying that officers could detain people for the mere sight of a gun. The more they keep saying it, the more accepted it seems to become.

    I'd really like to see the transcripts from that case.

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    I'd have probably stood up and addressed the court right there from the gallery.

    What the heck happened to Terry v Ohio?

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    DANGER DANGER!!!

    Brace for civil insurrection!


    This country is starting to commit Harry Carry... and the longer I am forced to watch our beautiful country implode on itself, the more beautiful Canada starts to look.


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    THway wrote:

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    This country is starting to commit Harry Carry... and the longer I am forced to watch our beautiful country implode on itself, the more beautiful Canada starts to look.
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    Nope... Canada is even WORSE!

    http://www.panda.com/canadaguns/

    And Mexico is even more harsh than Canada

    http://www.panda.com/mexicoguns/

    I hear the Czech Republic is ok... I spent some time here quite a while ago. I'm sure it has changed, but I really did think it was a beautiful place to visit.

    (guns must be concealed though)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...Czech_republic
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    THway wrote:
    This country is starting to commit Harry Carry
    It's actuallyhara-kiri (belly cutting)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku

    Bronson


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    Yes, trust me Canada is much worse. (lived there for many years) Unless of course you love socialism, universal healthcare, and being taxed TO DEATH!

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    T Vance wrote:
    I just personally with my own two eyes watch a Jackson County Judge basically give police permission to stop someone with a Courts Speak Only In Written Word handgun and detain them. He was given information to the Supreme Court verdicts saying that this is ILLEGAL, but failed to read it. I'll let the person who was involved in this situation talk more about when they feel like chiming in!
    Sorry but you give NO FACTS to your post !!!Courts Speak Only In Written Word !!

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    Not doubting it happened but a copy of the court opinion would be nice!
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    taxwhat wrote:
    T Vance wrote:
    I just personally with my own two eyes watch a Jackson County Judge basically give police permission to stop someone with a Courts Speak Only In Written Word handgun and detain them. He was given information to the Supreme Court verdicts saying that this is ILLEGAL, but failed to read it. I'll let the person who was involved in this situation talk more about when they feel like chiming in!
    Sorry but you give NO FACTS to your post !!!Courts Speak Only In Written Word !!
    I'll let the person who was involved in this situation explain if/when he wants to. It's not for me to divulge information, especially if he plans on filing a lawsuit. All I can say is that the judge was given documentation about Supreme Court cases saying that the mere presence of handgun does not justify a "Terry Stop". I'm going to leave it at that for now. It's not my place to say, but I know what I saw, and what I saw was a disregard to a law abiding citizen's rights.

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    A judicial opinion is public information and I do not see how that could cause any problems...
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    This is also a good topic for Mike to post nationally. This is a serious violation of the Fourth Amendment, and I believe is relevant to all who OC/CC.

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    OK, I will chime in now... It was me. I feel violated and sick. Truthfully, I should have guessed this would be the case. Bishop when chose to ignore anything I had to say. I started by giving him a few papers on the Supreme courts rulings. When I handed him the papers he asked if I had brought in my Proof of Insurance. I gave that to him as well. He looked at it and set the other papers down with ought so much as a glance. I stated that according to the supreme court the presence of a fire arm does not give cause to be stopped or detained, and that anything after an illegal stop should be dismissed. Bishop did not acknowledge a word I said.

    There is a pattern, i have dealt with officer Paul Albrechet 4 times now
    he has no regard for the law or civil rights
    and quite blatantly neither does Bishop

    you combine this with TVance and walt.... Jackson is showing a pattern, and it is disgusting.

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    I am sorry to hear about this Kimberguy! It sounds like these clown are willing to bend the law to suite their own ideas... Maybe a color of law report to the FBI is in order?

    http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/color.htm
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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I am sorry to hear about this Kimberguy! It sounds like these clown are willing to bend the law to suite their own ideas... Maybe a color of law report to the FBI is in order?

    http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/color.htm
    I agree, only not maybe, definitely! This can't stand.

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I am sorry to hear about this Kimberguy! It sounds like these clown are willing to bend the law to suite their own ideas... Maybe a color of law report to the FBI is in order?

    http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/color.htm
    I think a law suit would probably be better. Followed up only after that with a color of law complaint. For something this serious, donations from a nation wide level could probably easily be arranged. It is actually crazy enough for a judge to do these things that you might be able to get big timers like the NRA involved.
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    Something needs to be done. I hope you appealed right after your trial as well. If not I'd try and go do that today.

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    Kimberguy wrote:
    OK, I will chime in now... It was me. I feel violated and sick. Truthfully, I should have guessed this would be the case. Bishop when chose to ignore anything I had to say. I started by giving him a few papers on the Supreme courts rulings. When I handed him the papers he asked if I had brought in my Proof of Insurance. I gave that to him as well. He looked at it and set the other papers down with ought so much as a glance. I stated that according to the supreme court the presence of a fire arm does not give cause to be stopped or detained, and that anything after an illegal stop should be dismissed. Bishop did not acknowledge a word I said.

    There is a pattern, i have dealt with officer Paul Albrechet 4 times now
    he has no regard for the law or civil rights
    and quite blatantly neither does Bishop

    you combine this with TVance and walt.... Jackson is showing a pattern, and it is disgusting.
    Please forgive me, but I don't recall the details of this case. I don't know what the charge is either, or what the ruling is for that matter.

    Also, it sounds like you represented yourself, correct? Did you consult with a lawyer on any of this? I don't know a way around a courtroom, but I would imagine that your lawyer would have filed something to suppress any evidence found during the unlawful stop, and then filed a motion to dismiss.


    I've heard that there are certain procedures to go through in court, and that not doing so can prove ineffective. I'm just wondering if that might have happened in your case.

    I'll understand if you can't comment. If you want to shoot me a PM, or just keep quite about it that's fine.




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    The sad thing is that court room procedure has gotten so complicated that representing yourself has gotten to be nearly impossible! Of course we know who made it that way and they stand to gain by it!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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