Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Interesting conversation, shiawassee gun clerk

  1. #1
    Regular Member kyleplusitunes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Lennon Michigan, ,
    Posts
    533

    Post imported post

    so being new to the forums and very interested in open carry, I decided to do some investigative journalism (overly cautious) I called the shiawassee courthouse this morning and spoke to the [very cute] woman who does safety checks of handguns, posing as a journalist I asked her the question

    "could you clarify the Michigan law that does not prohibit open carry, or is it true it is completely legal to carry a firearm openly in public places except where prohibited by law?"

    she seemed shocked, she said "you can't just carry your gun around in the open!"

    I ended the call, quite discouraged, so I decided to call the MSP firearms line, where I posed the same question to the lady who answered the phone, she seemed confused and told me I would have to speak with her manager, who promptly and professionally returned my call, and somewhat reluctantly told me that you can indeed carry a firearm openly except where prohibited by law.

    I am posting here not because I was second guessing the law, but because I was pretty amazed the woman who registers firearms in shiawasse county 5 days a week is completely unaware of this fundamental right. thoughts?

  2. #2
    Regular Member Michigander's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Mulligan's Valley
    Posts
    4,830

    Post imported post

    That's a funny idea, pretending to be a news person. I wouldn't do it, but I like it.

    Anyway, even with all the news coverage and other progress we've made, some PD's have had their heads firmly lodged in the sand, and appear not to have heard about open carrying. It comes as no surprise when a PD acts ignorant, or maybe even really is. That's what the MOC info packages are for, as well as creative ideas like yours.


    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

  3. #3
    Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter Venator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Lansing area, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    6,446

    Post imported post

    She doesn't need to know the OC laws. She should know the gun registration laws.

    You can always send her a MOC brochure.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

  4. #4
    Regular Member kyleplusitunes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Lennon Michigan, ,
    Posts
    533

    Post imported post

    where would I find MOC brochures?

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    1,416

    Post imported post

    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    so being new to the forums and very interested in open carry, I decided to do some investigative journalism (overly cautious) I called the shiawassee courthouse this morning and spoke to the [very cute] woman who does safety checks of handguns, posing as a journalist I asked her the question

    "could you clarify the Michigan law that does not prohibit open carry, or is it true it is completely legal to carry a firearm openly in public places except where prohibited by law?"

    she seemed shocked, she said "you can't just carry your gun around in the open!"

    I ended the call, quite discouraged, so I decided to call the MSP firearms line, where I posed the same question to the lady who answered the phone, she seemed confused and told me I would have to speak with her manager, who promptly and professionally returned my call, and somewhat reluctantly told me that you can indeed carry a firearm openly except where prohibited by law.

    I am posting here not because I was second guessing the law, but because I was pretty amazed the woman who registers firearms in shiawasse county 5 days a week is completely unaware of this fundamental right. thoughts?
    Is she an actual police officer, or just a civil servant?

    If' she is just a civil servant, I don't know why she would know that OC is legal, since it's probably not necessary to her job to know it. If she's an officer,... well, lots of officers claim ignorance concerning OC. Some will try to intimidate you into not doing it by saying just about anyting, including "it's illegal", and others will truly be ignorant of the law concerning it.

  6. #6
    Regular Member kyleplusitunes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Lennon Michigan, ,
    Posts
    533

    Post imported post

    I am fairly sure she's an officer or at the very least a deputy, she is uniformed with asidearm

  7. #7
    Regular Member autosurgeon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Lawrence, Michigan, United States
    Posts
    3,845

    Post imported post

    And this is why you don't ask the police for legal advise!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

  8. #8
    Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter Venator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Lansing area, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    6,446

    Post imported post

    kyleplusitunes wrote:
    where would I find MOC brochures?
    I didn't know she was a LEO, then she should know about OC, etc...

    http://home.comcast.net/~gosirr/Brochure10-29-08a.doc w/flags
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

  9. #9
    Regular Member WARCHILD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Corunna, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    1,772

    Post imported post

    Save your brochure....I have dropped off several copies to the county, state, and city p.d.'s...she was either lying or just didn't want to waste the time on discussion. I have never been approached on public property anywhere in Shi. county. In fact the only interactions I have ever had were initiated by off duty leo's with nothing better to do.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Durand, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    I too am in Shiawasseecounty and have never had a problem OCing and I do it everywhere I go. Only time anyone says anything is to ask "is that legal" or " glad to see you doing it". The wife and I had dinner at Eddie O'flynns in Owossoabout a week agoand I had a guy leave his table in the middle of his meal walk up to me and ask if I was a LEO or just OC, I told him I was OCing and he thanked me for doing it. He had read the article in the local paper from the MOC event in Owosso so I directed him to this site. I was unsure when I started to OC but I read up until I felt I could deal with a LEO encounter and started to OC. NOw thats how I carry 90% of the time. I should add I do have a CPL and have been carrying for several years .

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Durand, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    I should also add that October 10th I am planning an event in Morrice (Shiawassee County)you should come.



    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/28832.html

  12. #12
    Regular Member Decoligny's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Rosamond, California, USA
    Posts
    1,865

    Post imported post

    Michigander wrote:
    That's a funny idea, pretending to be a news person. I wouldn't do it, but I like it.

    Anyway, even with all the news coverage and other progress we've made, some PD's have had their heads firmly lodged in the sand, and appear not to have heard about open carrying. It comes as no surprise when a PD acts ignorant, or maybe even really is. That's what the MOC info packages are for, as well as creative ideas like yours.

    Pretending? He just published his news report on a Nationally syndicated forum! He is by all means an independent journalist. :celebrate

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Durand, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    69

    Post imported post

    Decoligny wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    That's a funny idea, pretending to be a news person. I wouldn't do it, but I like it.

    Anyway, even with all the news coverage and other progress we've made, some PD's have had their heads firmly lodged in the sand, and appear not to have heard about open carrying. It comes as no surprise when a PD acts ignorant, or maybe even really is. That's what the MOC info packages are for, as well as creative ideas like yours.

    Pretending? He just published his news report on a Nationally syndicated forum! He is by all means an independent journalist. :celebrate
    I like how you think..lol

  14. #14
    Regular Member LaVere's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    The remains of Flint, Michigan, USA
    Posts
    264

    Post imported post

    Start a News Blog. Now you are a News journalist blogger

    See WWW.Generalnewsgroup.com My Playground for things I want to post.

    AND its free
    The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.

    Dalai Lama

    ************************************************** ********************

    http://www.generalnewsgroup.com/

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •