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    Can everybody please stop associating "libs" with "antis"? I am quite honestly one of the most liberal people you could ever meet, EXCEPT for gun control laws.
    And I'm not trying to turn this into a political conversation, I am just trying to make the distinction between a liberal and an "anti gun rights" person.

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    I no longer even use the terms "liberal", "conservative", "right", or "left". They're artificial ways of pigeonholing, without regard to accuracy.



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    I would imagine the reason people have a hard time disassociating liberals and gun grabbers is because they are both wrong.
    The thing about common sense is....it ain't too common.
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    PiJiNWiNg wrote:
    Can everybody please stop associating "libs" with "antis"? I am quite honestly one of the most liberal people you could ever meet, EXCEPT for gun control laws.
    And I'm not trying to turn this into a political conversation, I am just trying to make the distinction between a liberal and an "anti gun rights" person.

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    Libs are communists or communist synchophants. There... happy now?

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    Isn't there a rule that you can't whine about anything until you have 50 posts?

    If not, there should be.

    Too many of the single post people complaining turn out to be drive by trolls and never post again.

    Not saying this is the case here, but it too often is.

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    Ask yourself whether your representatives represent your feeling about firearms. I think you may find your answer there. There seems to be a large disconnect between lib politicians and lib public, but if you help vote those people in you get lumped into their beliefs. BTW, I'm a right wing extremist now, thanks to my government, make you feel any better?

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    I am pleased that the Obamination has finally recognized the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy of which I have long been a soldier, since the Clinton whorehouse.

    I have turned myself in at mailto:flag@whitehouse.gov

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    I believe nothing from this term's Executive branch, Legislative branch and little of the Judicial branch. I am proud to be resistant to this government.

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    Maybe someone can help toclassify me into one of the neat little catchphrases or groups or tell me what political party I belong in

    I believe the constitution should be tightly adhered to, I fully back the first 10 amendments and the others that follow and will defend our constitution to the death.
    (I have always wanted to become an attorney that practices constitutional law)

    I am pro-choice, (not to be confused with pro-abortion) We need less government, not more & more programs where the government supports the citizens.
    Religion? I have some seriousissues with organized religion, I tend to have my own beliefs and will make my own decisions

    People should make their own decisions and go forward in their ownway, Government assistance should be exactly that, "Assistance" not dependence on the government. (multigenerational familieswhere any single member hasnever worked a day in their lives pisses me off to no end) Damn-it, I am 85% disabled according to the doctors, but I have never asked for or received any assistance from anyone. I feelI am able to work, so I do work! and hard!

    What political party would I best fit into?
    I am not a conservative due to my views on abortion and religion, I am not a democrat because I feel the government is already too large and into far too many peoples lives.

    Where do I fit??

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    "please stop" is the title of the post to beg people not to judge liberals... at a pro-gun forum? really dude?

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    Nutczak wrote:
    Maybe someone can help toclassify me into one of the neat little catchphrases or groups or tell me what political party I belong in

    I believe the constitution should be tightly adhered to, I fully back the first 10 amendments and the others that follow and will defend our constitution to the death.
    (I have always wanted to become an attorney that practices constitutional law)

    I am pro-choice, (not to be confused with pro-abortion) We need less government, not more & more programs where the government supports the citizens.
    Religion? I have some seriousissues with organized religion, I tend to have my own beliefs and will make my own decisions

    People should make their own decisions and go forward in their ownway, Government assistance should be exactly that, "Assistance" not dependence on the government. (multigenerational familieswhere any single member hasnever worked a day in their lives pisses me off to no end) Damn-it, I am 85% disabled according to the doctors, but I have never asked for or received any assistance from anyone. I feelI am able to work, so I do work! and hard!

    What political party would I best fit into?
    I am not a conservative due to my views on abortion and religion, I am not a democrat because I feel the government is already too large and into far too many peoples lives.

    Where do I fit??
    We're on the same page... same tune... 'cept for the disabled part. (Altho my left ear drum is pretty much shot 'n I have minor nerve damage in my left forearm (military connected). 'Never applied fior disability... 'cause it's just a 'thing'. However... I'm politically to the Right of Attila. I dunno... does everybody need a label? 'Constitutionalist' maybe?



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    Anyone who is accurately described by a point on some one-dimensional left-right political spectrum is insufferably boring. The world is more complicated than that.

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    Nutczak wrote:
    Where do I fit??
    Yoursound likea libertarian to me. .... join us.... resistance is futile....you will be assimilated...

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    So I may be a good fit to be a constitutionalist or a liberatarian?

    So should I define myself as a constitutionalist-libertarian?

    To date, when I have beenasked which party I belong to, I say "I don't" I decideaccording tothe issues I can back. I'll see which candidate best fits my individual views.
    Wisconsin is well known a "Ticket splitting" bunch because weare not required to vote theparty line. We often see pro-2A dem's, and anti-2A republicans running for office in this state.

    I have voted in every presidentail election since I was legal to vote., and I have yet to vote for a candidate, just against the other candidate. It seems like it is always like making a choice between a steaming bowl of ****-soup, or a big **** sandwich. They are usually both turds, but one is not as nasty smelling as the other.

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    First define a principle, that which will not be compromised, or a few. Then decide where that fits on your political map.

    "Pro-choice" does not follow from the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    If we are going to speak of mapping and culture then I must remind of The Mathematical Impossibility of Compromise by polymath Al Schwartz.

    http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/comprom.htm

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    Sorry, I still prefer liberal. There's more to the issue than just the erosion of gun rights.

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    How about we all agree to disagree, and we all say "were the ones that routinely check none of the above?"

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    One post and run? If you would spend time on here you would find there are a few liberals on here. I am not one of them but I am not republican either. I have always considered my self a constitutionalists, and have no use for either party.

    The reason many associate liberals with anti-gun is because that has been (not always the case) the party that has pushed through, gun control legislation. If you are a registered liberal then make your party stop.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Nutczak wrote:
    So I may be a good fit to be a constitutionalist or a liberatarian?

    So should I define myself as a constitutionalist-libertarian?

    To date, when I have beenasked which party I belong to, I say "I don't" I decideaccording tothe issues I can back. I'll see which candidate best fits my individual views.
    Wisconsin is well known a "Ticket splitting" bunch because weare not required to vote theparty line. We often see pro-2A dem's, and anti-2A republicans running for office in this state.

    I have voted in every presidentail election since I was legal to vote., and I have yet to vote for a candidate, just against the other candidate. It seems like it is always like making a choice between a steaming bowl of ****-soup, or a big **** sandwich. They are usually both turds, but one is not as nasty smelling as the other.
    I don't know anyone that agrees with everything in a party's platform and I don't either. However, I agree with almost everything in the Libertarian platform so I describe myself as such to others.
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    I have to agree with above post, I just dont think "parties" should be in control.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Just like 'subscribing ' to the NRA for the wrong reasons beyond what the NRA performs. The NRA claims 4M 'members' (swinging) and the LP will claim you as subscribing to this libertarian 'thing' whether you do or not.

    You empower these "pro-gun" democraps to give the 2A lip service and sell your country off to China.

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    Who's running? Excuse me for being a busy person, ha.

    But In response to a separate post, Im not begging anyone for anything, just trying to inform certain ignoramuses that Liberals and "gun grabbers" are not the same.
    The title "Please Stop" is simply short for "Please Stop Making Yourself Look Like A Retard Because You Don't Know The Difference".
    Aside from the fact that I tend to agree with some of the below statements that political parties shouldn't define what principles you should have politically. It just so happens that many of my views happen to coincide with many of the thoughts of the left wing. I only call myself a "liberal" to save the breath of explaining every single one of my beliefs.

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    your trying to ask people not to stereotype a certain political group. asking not to stereotype is impossible enough, but to ask the pro-gun community to not judge libs on being anti-gun isnt realistic. most libs hate guns so they get classified, its just human nature to judge and classify people in groups for the majority because we dont know every person in the world. and anyone who says they dont judge people is a complete liar

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    PiJiNWiNg wrote:
    But In response to a separate post, Im not begging anyone for anything, just trying to inform certain ignoramuses that Liberals and "gun grabbers" are not the same.
    So does this pertain to just you or are you trying to tell us that in general liberals are not gun grabbers? Who are the gun grabbers then? I'll ask you a similar question to one I asked on another board. How do you justify your belief in the RTKBA and voting for folks who generally do not hold that same belief?

    I'm pro life, I don't vote pro choice.
    I'm pro gun, I don't vote anti gun.
    I believe criminals should be held accountable, I don't vote for people who are soft on crime.

    I can respect their views and disagree completely with them. And I am not compelled to vote for folks who don't hold similar values to mine.

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    chiefjason wrote:
    PiJiNWiNg wrote:
    But In response to a separate post, Im not begging anyone for anything, just trying to inform certain ignoramuses that Liberals and "gun grabbers" are not the same.
    So does this pertain to just you or are you trying to tell us that in general liberals are not gun grabbers? Who are the gun grabbers then? I'll ask you a similar question to one I asked on another board. How do you justify your belief in the RTKBA and voting for folks who generally do not hold that same belief?

    I'm pro life, I don't vote pro choice.
    I'm pro gun, I don't vote anti gun.
    I believe criminals should be held accountable, I don't vote for people who are soft on crime.

    I can respect their views and disagree completely with them. And I am not compelled to vote for folks who don't hold similar values to mine.
    Because I find it virtually impossible to find a candidate that is going to match 100% with your views. In a case like this there is no other choice besides either A) Picking the best match or B) Not voting at all (which I REFUSE to do)


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