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    I am a pastor of a local church and have a CC permit. I believe that the Bible advocates the protection of ourselves, loved ones, and in my case, the congregation. Especially, in light of the spate of recent church shootings. It does surprise me at the number of people who don't think a Pastor should do so. Any opinions?

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    Pastors are citizens and have all the same rights as anyone else with one exception. Mississippi law currently lists churches as off limits for carry. Frankly that is unconstitutional in my view. Churches should be able to decide for themselves whether to allow carry, just as private businesses do.

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    I think more pastors should carry, as well as all citizens in general. I also wish, pastors and churchgoers shoud be allowed to carry inchurch as well.

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    My sentiments exactly, especially in light of the aforementioned church attacks. I am grateful for this forum and look forward to being a part of your virtual community. Information is powerful and is vital to the survival of this country. Thanks.

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    Blackrobed rev. wrote:
    SNIP Any opinions?
    Theologically speaking, if you can grant forgiveness,I see no reason why you should not possess the ability to expedite Judgementfor extreme cases.

    Its really just a matter of getting the sinner in front of the Lord faster than he might have wanted.

    I'm sure St. Peter wouldn'tmind the momentary additional administration. Its bound to be a fast interview anyway.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    Citizen wrote:
    Blackrobed rev. wrote:
    SNIP Any opinions?
    Theologically speaking, if you can grant forgiveness,I see no reason why you should not possess the ability to expedite Judgementfor extreme cases.

    Its really just a matter of getting the sinner in front of the Lord faster than he might have wanted.

    I'm sure St. Peter wouldn'tmind the momentary additional administration. Its bound to be a fast interview anyway.

    Citizen-- where is your mercy and compassion for the evil of society?

    In Tennessee Churches are not automatically off limits to carry-unless of course they are posted according to T.C.A 39-17-1359(a)

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    Blackrobed rev. wrote:
    I am a pastor of a local church and have a CC permit. I believe that the Bible advocates the protection of ourselves, loved ones, and in my case, the congregation. Especially, in light of the spate of recent church shootings. It does surprise me at the number of people who don't think a Pastor should do so. Any opinions?
    Welcome!

    I agree--the laity should be allowed to carry if that is their choice, as should the preachers. I see no where in the Bible where God expects us to stand by and be the victims of murders, rapists and the other evil elements of society. Even Christ told His disciples that if they did not own a sword--to sell their garment and go buy one.



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    suntzu wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Blackrobed rev. wrote:
    SNIP Any opinions?
    Theologically speaking, if you can grant forgiveness,I see no reason why you should not possess the ability to expedite Judgementfor extreme cases.

    Its really just a matter of getting the sinner in front of the Lord faster than he might have wanted.

    I'm sure St. Peter wouldn'tmind the momentary additional administration. Its bound to be a fast interview anyway.

    Citizen-- where is your mercy and compassion for the evil of society?

    I wasn't clear. Sorry.

    Immediately after thepastor arranges for the early Judgement, the congregation should pray for the soul of the departed. This can even be done while the pastor performs a tactical reload and threat-scans the area.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    my pastor held a meeting with a few men and women from the congregation, about protecting the congregation, and encouraged us to carry...(florida)
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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    I'd love to attend services in such a church, where is it?
    i live in bradenton, fl...the founding pastor is retired LE, and his son is now the pastor, but they hand picked a few men and women from the church, and i know for a fact that at least 5 of the 12-15 at the meeting carry on a regular basis..he said it was our duty as a church to protect the ourselves, the congregation and kids, pastor and church grounds... it's a small church- about 100-125 people but we have our own property and acreage
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    Our former pastor (since retired) carried a Ruger SP101 .357 Mag.







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    We are located in Escatawpa (Moss Point) MS at 3801 Hill av. The notion of Pastors getting involved is nothing new. The Blackrobed regiment was the name given to pastors during the American Revolution, hence the phrase, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. We havea mandate to keep the people informed regarding truth, both spiritually and physically.

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    Yes, sad but true. Most pastors believe the Scriptures teach passivism, which could not be further from the Truth. We have a moral obligation to defend our families, and extended families, the weak and innocent and the land as well, against any and all enemies. I appreciate the candor and openness of this forum.

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    It does surprise me at the number of people who don't think a Pastor should do so. Any opinions?
    I have some family members who attend a church in Grand Bay, AL that recently has had a few break-ins and once while the preacher was there. The preacher and a few others routinly CC now, they were worried about how the members would react, but from what I understand, all the members that know, support carrying.

    I don't know about MPPD, but if you are outsideMoss Point PD jurisdiction andwere in the county, I doubt Sheriff Byrd would have any problems with you carrying. IMO, it falls into the 'don't ask-don't tell' category.

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    I am outside the city jurisdiction and have talked to the Sheriff. I have several members who carry and we spend time teaching those who want to become familiar with guns and gun safety. I believe we will see some difficult days ahead that will escalate the need for personal protection as mandated by the 2nd. Thanks again for sharing info.

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    Blackrobed rev. wrote:
    Yes, sad but true. Most pastors believe the Scriptures teach passivism, which could not be further from the Truth. We have a moral obligation to defend our families, and extended families, the weak and innocent and the land as well, against any and all enemies. I appreciate the candor and openness of this forum.
    The deliberatemisunderstanding of the "turn the other cheek" command has given rise to a society that thinks there is something morally wrong with self defense or taking up arms in the defense of others. That attitude, combined with the fact thatpastors are supposed to be examples of godly behavior is a large contributor to people being shocked to seeing a preacher with a gun. With all the uproar in the media over people openly carrying arms near the townhall meetings, can you imagine the uproar that will be generated if one of them turns out to be a pastor?

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    I'm sure it will be used to blacklist us even further. It is my opinion that as leaders we should not be so concerned about what the public thinks as with the Truth. The media bias has usurped control over what most people think today. Glad to know there are those who will not forget the Constitutional liberties that are themselves an underscoring of Biblical rights belonging to all free men. I guess that is the distinction - whether we consider ourselves free men or owned by the government.

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    It would by my pleasure. I broadcast the same opinions via the internet and a weekly radio program. It is my judgment that the blame for the ills of this nation rests squarely upon the shoulders of the church. We have embraced a doctrine of pacifity and a don't get involved attitude, until now we are facing the greatest threat to this country ever - bar none, and that includes both world wars and the civil war, and these pastors are trusting the very ones who are advancing this socialist agenda to bail us out?Prayerfully, the "silent majority" will awaken before it's too late.

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    I will look into it and see what might happen. I will not have time this wk. I have several appointments and I am preparing for this Sabbath. David

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    We are a small motor cycle club that is Christian based. We are not a ministry club but provide that if requested. We all carry. I know of two national Christian clubs that do minister and a huge number of them carry also. I will turn the other cheek as long as you aren't about to shoot me in the cheek. If so, i will pray for you to go to Heaven....right away. I'm a Christian, not a rug!



    Adding to that, my church regularly hosts retreats where the guys all bring their favorite guns and have a great time on the range. The senior pastor practicaly drooled when he saw my twin stainless steel ruger mini 14's and my tech 9 with the 32 round clip.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    The wife and I attend local CMA events from time to time.
    No one has ever said a word about my open carry.
    That's one of em'.

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    i think this is another one of those "jim crow" laws.

    It guaranteed that noone would be armed in certain Churches.

    I carry every time I go to Church.
    With the hatred of Christians today, things could be bad at any moment. And it won't be me who says "if I had only..."

    This is one of those "personal choices" we all have to deal with.
    Do I obey the law and endanger myself and others, or do I follow my beliefs and do what is right even though it is "illegal"???

    If it's any help to you, the FOUNDERS made it clear that "bad laws" were not valid laws, and it is our DUTY to not follow them.
    But don't count on them showing up in court for you. LOL
    What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is so hard to understand ???


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    I know this is an old thread, but one that needs light again.

    This is one part of 45-9-101 that hits home for me. I'm not sure if I should follow or disregard the law. Right now, I enter our church building with a loaded magazine in each pocket and no pistol to go with them. I believe this part of the statute is tredding all over the 1st amendent. I guess this makes me a conscientious objector.

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    Yep this is definitely an infringement and we need to make some noise about it. The law that took the public parks prohibition out of 45-9-101 orginally removed the prohibition on churches but the final version of the bill kept the prohibition on carry in churches. We just need to make sure our state reps and senators know that we want this changed. As far as actually carrying in church... ya never know what folks might have under a coat and tie.
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