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    Michael Gaddy

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    As a government grows more and more intrusive on individual liberties, that government’s fear of the armed citizen increases exponentially, just as an armed robber fears a well-armed potential victim. Here in America in the last seventy plus years, our government and their stooges in the media have sought to relegate the right of a free people to keep and bear arms into a privilege, subject to government approval, rather than an inalienable right. Sadly, many gun owners have agreed to participate in this madness.



    I have been consistent in my objections to asking permission and paying for the privilege to carry a weapon on my person, if and when I chose to do so. Yet, the majority of objections I receive to my position come from people who currently own guns and have jumped at the opportunity for government approval to do what they already have the right to do. Is this not an open acknowledgement to those in power the Second Amendment, and the remainder of the Bill of Rights, mean nothing and are subject to the whim of some elected criminal, bureaucrat, or an agenda wearing a black robe?



    When I decided to write this article, I did not contact the government, submit to a background check, submit fingerprints, take a government endorsed writing class and pay for permission. What is the difference in the exercise of my inalienable right to free speech and my inalienable right to keep and bear arms? The difference is: the state currently fears my ability to resist tyranny with a firearm more than with words, but as we can see from the reaction of the government and its media lackeys to the spoken objections to the tyranny of socialized medicine, that is about to change.



    In today’s political climate, if one dares to speak out about the intrusion of the state into every crevice of liberty and freedom, they are compared by the socialist mouth organ to Nazis, Hamas and Hezbollah.



    If the First Amendment rights follow the pattern of the Second Amendment, only those who have been vetted by the state will be allowed to speak or write publicly, and then only after passing the prerequisite courses, state scrutiny, and of course, pay the required amount for the privilege.





    I can see the stooges proudly proclaiming their newly paid-for right to speak and write, just as they do now with their permits to carry a concealed weapon. Then, many will lobby for reciprocity from other states the right to speak or publish, or perhaps even campaign for a national permit to exercise their First Amendment rights.



    An American, exercising his inalienable right to keep and bear arms, recently became the focus of the state and the media in New Hampshire near where Obama was to appear. Chris Matthews and other members of the propaganda ministry were apoplectic. How dare anyone other than a government bottom feeder be allowed near the Messiah with a firearm? What would have happened had this man decided to exercise his First Amendment rights at the same time he was exercising his Second?



    What did the state and the media fear most about this man with a gun? Was it the man, the gun, the spirit of the man, or perhaps it might have been his ethnicity? After all, according to the media, if he were there to object to the socialist plans of Obama that would reveal his latent racism. We all know, white people concerned about government taking over their health care want to shoot anyone who is only half white.



    What a masterstroke it was for the state to get Boobus to admit the only rights he has are those subject to the “reasonable” restrictions of his masters. The precedent has been set and we have agreed; you must submit yourself before the god called government, pass their background checks, take their approved qualification course, submit the required monies and wait for your ID card certifying you have permission from the state to exercise at least one of your former inalienable rights!



    If you, and/or a member of your family, are assaulted by a madman with a weapon while in a restaurant, on a school campus, in church, at the mall, in a bank, in the parking lot where you shop or work, in a carjacking or a mugging, or visiting Obama’s home town, you must remember, the only people allowed to defend their lives and those of their loved ones are those who have been sanctioned by the state to do so. That is freedom in America today, granted by the state, bought and paid for.



    Through our inactions and apathy we have acknowledged the state to be the masters of our lives; perhaps we can apply for the privilege of having our own health care, the right not to be forcibly injected by some vaccine whose side effects are worse than the disease or the right not to be imprisoned in a FEMA camp. Remember, we traded our rights for security. It is turning out to be one heck of a bad bargain.



    Resistance, anyone?

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    I sent the following to Mathews at MSNBC

    Also you really need to see this video War and Rumors of Wars..Sums up the way I feel..................
    http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/7/white-people-gonna-riot-825433.html




    How dare you people get down on second ammendment supporters for being armed at an Obama function.That is a right in the Constitution, health care isn't .Besides he is safer with law abiding gun owners than anyone else.We would protect him with our lives.No one wants him to end up a martyr .I live in Wa.State where to carry a firearm openly doesn't even require a license also as it should be..I carry mine into the bank,into Starbucks,everywhere as it should be.No ONE HAS A RIGHT TO VOTE ON WhETHER IOR ANYONE ELSECARRY A GUN OR NOT.Only I am qualified to decide that and as in this state no reason is required.See the photobelowtaken at the Tea party in april in downtown Seattle.Notice the police not bothering me.In fact at the Starbucks I have coffee everymorning,someone started making a big scene about my gun.He was the one that got in trouble for complaining about me and 86ed from the store .Imagine his surprise.Some even came over to us to shake our hands and give us support and said it wasn't us they worry about.Nor would they ever obey any order to disarm folks.(I carry a .45 Italian made Tanfoglio Witness with hi capacity magazines.)

    Also I am a Vietnam combat Vet ,have worked all my life and will tolerate no more of these liberal socialist programs.For ex. What is Obama doing to make sure illegals are cut off of benefits to cut costs Everone has a right to health ins. as long as you pay foryour own.They will not take my tax dollarso someone else can get a welfare check.. Also see the following story when we had 2 pro gun rallys at my apt complex.Check video below.You have woken up a part of America that you might want to take moreseriously. I only watch Fox by the way......http://www.king5.com/video/news-index.html?nvid=346642 (original story)



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    Theregoes Deros again with his untold styling tips



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    Deros +alot for saying what most of us want to say or feel but for whatever reason havn't found our voice. You are dead on and like you I believe in our God given rights of life freedom and the pursuit of our own happiness. Good for you for putting it in writing.

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    +1 Agree, and, Thats a great Pic

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    Manu wrote:
    Theregoes Deros again with his untold styling tips

    LOL, too funny. :celebrate

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    At least the shirt doesn't clash with the holster.

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    ChuckUFarley wrote
    Resistance, anyone?
    Incredibly worded my friend! This argument, in your words, needs to be publicized in mass and brought to the attention of every one of our fellow Americans, not only in regards to the second amendment but for all of them. We are reaching a dangerous time for our country and we need to get be heard, again not only for the second amendment but for principals that this great country was founded on.
    See you on the front line,
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    How dare you people get down on second ammendment supporters for being armed at an Obama function.
    What do you think would happen if someone was armed at an anti-bush function? In Prosser WA, where my shooting range is, an eigth grade kid got a visit from the Secret Service (SS) for drawing a picture of Bush as the devil, and that was 3,000 miles from the president, and by a 13 year old!
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/170992_prosser28.html



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    In today’s political climate, if one dares to speak out about the intrusion of the state into every crevice of liberty and freedom, they are compared by the socialist mouth organ to Nazis, Hamas and Hezbollah.
    This statement struck me as ironic as it seems that these days everyone compares everyone that they don't agree with to the Nazis. The antis compare the gun-nuts to the Nazis and the gun-nuts compare the antis to the Nazis. Just who the heck were these Nazis that seemed to cover all the bases no matter what? It just seems that comparision with the "papers please" rhetoric is getting old.

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    PT111 wrote:
    In today’s political climate, if one dares to speak out about the intrusion of the state into every crevice of liberty and freedom, they are compared by the socialist mouth organ to Nazis, Hamas and Hezbollah.
    This statement struck me as ironic as it seems that these days everyone compares everyone that they don't agree with to the Nazis. The antis compare the gun-nuts to the Nazis and the gun-nuts compare the antis to the Nazis. Just who the heck were these Nazis that seemed to cover all the bases no matter what? It just seems that comparision with the "papers please" rhetoric is getting old.
    I don't like your statement where's your papers you nazi? LOL
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I don't know about you but I characterize everything I don't agree with as Naziish- it's easier than rationale dialogue and you can't paint cute little mustaches on pictures of whoever you were mad at at the time.

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    cynicist wrote:
    How dare you people get down on second ammendment supporters for being armed at an Obama function.
    What do you think would happen if someone was armed at an anti-bush function? In Prosser WA, where my shooting range is, an eigth grade kid got a visit from the Secret Service (SS) for drawing a picture of Bush as the devil, and that was 3,000 miles from the president, and by a 13 year old!
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/170992_prosser28.html

    That story is a perfect example of why we must end this police state. The more they restrict us, the more they must oppress us and fear us and threaten, coerce and crush us under their boot.

    If we stay asleep, when we awaken, we will be 100%slaves. As for now, I am only 65% slave (I have to work until the middle of August to pay off all my tax debts.).
    What that means is that from January to August... I am not working for myself. I am working for the government. I am essentially a slave.

    Are we willing to continue as slaves? When will we stand together and say enough is enough?
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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Are we willing to continue as slaves? When will we stand together and say enough is enough?
    Right now:

    http://www.freestateproject.org/

    Put your money where your mouth is and move today.

    But my guess is that you won't uproot your life to fight for liberty like the founders did.

    And that's fine; most people won't. I'm not even planning to move 'till 2012, and that's only if I get my debts settled and get a savings built up.

    Unfortunately, the fact that most people won't uproot their lives is the very reason we're not likely to win. At least, not yet.

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    grishnav wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Are we willing to continue as slaves? When will we stand together and say enough is enough?
    Right now:

    http://www.freestateproject.org/

    Put your money where your mouth is and move today.

    But my guess is that you won't uproot your life to fight for liberty like the founders did.

    And that's fine; most people won't. I'm not even planning to move 'till 2012, and that's only if I get my debts settled and get a savings built up.

    Unfortunately, the fact that most people won't uproot their lives is the very reason we're not likely to win. At least, not yet.
    Why is it that I have to move to NH just to fight for Liberty?

    I am becoming more politically active here in Washington and I will continue to push for Liberty and Freedom.
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    Sometimes I think that we are the frogs in the pot of water. Jugears is turning up the heat. I have jumped out of the pot. Like you Deros, I have paid my dues defending this great land of ours. Some of my friends paid more. I am willing to take a step to further our mission. The meet in Port Orchard was just a step as the other meets were. One thing I would like to see is a gathering of people from the whole Puget Sound; not just people from Kitsap being at meets in Kitsap and people from King being at meets in King. Therearen't very many places in the Sound that is more than a couple hrs. apart. I have been to Bellevue, Tacoma, Burien, and Silverdale. Not bragging but driving from Port Orchard to Poulsbo or Pt. Townsend is not a long drive. Just my 2 pennies. My wife came and got my soap box.

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    Thanks Squeak .It is a principle.We are slowly loosing everything.and to take the rest they will try to disarm us.Slowly.I will not have the goverment tell me anymore I have to bail out a neighbor who can't afford a badloan they got into,Its not their place to tell me what kind of cars we can build or drive or stick their nose into private companies.If I want to overpay my CEO thats my business .If I make millions of dollars why should I give that up so someone else can live on the dole.If I start a business I start it to make me wealthy Not the workers or the "people".The investors should have first rights to any profits since thay put up the money.The workers agree to work for a wage, if they don't like said wage they are free to work elswhere.They are telling us were we can smoke,trying to tell us what we can eat.There is nothing in the Constitution about czars.That was Russia.I provided my own health care all my life.It is not the governments place to tell us we have to pay for everyone else.

    I saw on Glen Beck friday where the new "communications czar" wants to levy 100's ov million in fines on Christain and conservative programing.What about free speech?????

    I see illegals that can't even speak a word of englishwith stacks of ebt cards in the grocery line .What are non citizens doing with benefits paid for by hard working Americans . They can't do for themselves so they think they can come to America and take ours ,what we have built.Anyone wanting to immigrate here should to it legaly, learn the language be educated and have enough money to live on for at least a year.There should be a bounty onillegals, rewards for everyone turn in.How much money could be saved not printing everything in 20 or so different languages.We are not a freakin refugee camp.This country was built on the rightof an individuals liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don't or didn't work for the people .I work for me and my famity .It is not up to the tax payer to pay for someone elses.I have always helped others where I can but it's not the governments place to tell me I have to,or who gets my help.To recieve any kind of benefits one should already have a work history,minimum of a high school education ,speak english and be an AMERICAN CITIZEN.I am tired of seeing welfare recipients sitting around on their ass all day spending your money and mine on another 32 ouncer. I can't leave the house most days without someone trying to bum something because they already drank up their welfare check . also a newslogan for the work force HIRE AMERICAN!

    I remember the days when you could pick up anything and it said MADE IN AMERICA.

    How much money could we save by cutting them off.Telling them you got 18 months to get it together because the gravy train is no more.These benefits should be for those who had jobs ,got laid off and need TEMPORARY assistance.Think how much more we could invest in our military and space program by cutting off these dogs.My father used to work for NASA back in the day on the Apollo program.Back then it employed with subcontractors and all about 400,00.BUt think of it people would actually have to finish school to work in that industry.And almost 70% of thewhat we enjoy is the direct result of technology developed for these programs.Also put the Pledge of Allegience back in school and start teaching basic morality again.This anything goes attitude is why these new generations are so screwed up.

    Why are we paying for criminals in prisons to have color tv, weight rooms,computers etc.That should all be removed and given to active military families first and then veterans.I am sick of hearing sob stories about the kid who held up a store ,maybe killed someone and we are supposed to feel for him because he had a bad childhood.THEY chose that life.You and I are not responsible for their poor decisions.WE have capital punishment and need to start using it.No more 20 year appeals.One appeal and your done.Sentence carried out within hours.Also if you shoot an intruder or someone trying to steal from you or harm you or your family you should be publically rewarded and a big thanks from LE.

    Stop giving money to these third world toilets around the world that do nothing for themselves and then bad mouth and attack America as thay have their hand out.The UN would get an imediate eviction notice and the building used as an office complex or condos.

    And screw these eviormentalist nut jobs that want to spend billions on global warming.You have to be a real imbicile to buy into that crap.And lets start drilling our own oil off shore.We can tell these Arabs to f-off.And stop freaking apologizing.We are nor do we owe anyone an apology.

    I will not apologize for being white ,working and paying my own way all my life and going to war for this country.AND will continue to carry my side arm and hang my flag outside my apt.

    So don't you people dare tell me you support the constitution when you won't you won't sacrifice anything to keep it.You people that Talk big here and yet will fold like a lawn chair if you actually had to do anything.Obama is trying to turn us into a welfare communist state .Haven't we been fighting that for the last 70 or so years.This progressionism has to stop.Its nothing more than a few elitist wanting and thinking they can control the rest of us.When I served in the US Army (enlisted not drafted.. IN Vietnam)I took an oath to defend against all enemies foriegn and DOMESTIC.I see a very dangerous domestic enemy on the rise.If you know history they are parraleling what many dictators have doneover the years.

    And finally leave our f..n guns alone.


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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    Why is it that I have to move to NH just to fight for Liberty?

    I am becoming more politically active here in Washington and I will continue to push for Liberty and Freedom.
    You don't have to, and I applaud and support your efforts to bring increased liberty to Washington.

    However, I'll go with what Ian Freeman of Freetalklive usually says: I just don't think you're going to be able to make a difference here. And even if you do, nothing like what the same effort would bring in NH.

    FWIW, I'm planning to move around 2012, provided I meet certain personal financial goals.

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    I agree with you 100% we have become and are quickly solidifying that we are a socialist nation, the only thing that has stopped a marxist type goverment is that pesky Constitution, althought when i look around, it is if there were never even a constitution to begin with.

    I hope we can save this nation before its too late, I dont want my children growing up in theUSSA

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    Well we are going to have to sacrifice like our founders to get our America back.Yet there are some here that talk big but would sell us out in a new york minute to insure their financial stability.

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    I served 17 years in the military, am a disabled vet, served all over the world my last 5 years was in the Middle East, I didn’t sacrifice for my country to see it given away to communism, fascism, or obamunism. I will resist with everything that is within me right now as peaceably as I can, later on who knows, but I will only be pushed so far.



    The great Samuel Adams once stated that “…the liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men.”



    I sit back hoping that my country men will wake up trying to give as much time for people to influence there neighbors and use the system for change, I have been hopeful by seeing these town hall meeting that my fellow Americans are realizing it could soon be all over, and are now starting to push back, these things are a slight encouragement to me and give me the hope that a flicker of patriotism is still left in people.



    Do not be deceived there are many like us who will be pushed only so far, I hope for the sake of my children we do not have to take up arms, but for their sake I will.



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    DEROS72 wrote:
    Well we are going to have to sacrifice like our founders to get our America back.Yet there are some here that talk big but would sell us out in a new york minute to insure their financial stability.
    I know, good thing I'm already poor.

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    Exactly Chuck,I have a new grandson that is now at 3 mo.in debt up to his eyeballs to pay for programs for the useless in this country.WE that have served ,still fly the flag ar say the pledge of allegience,we that work for whats ours and believe we have the right to keep it and we that still believe in the Constitution are now villified and looked on with absolute disdain when these are the men and women of America that should be held up as examples of what is still right and good with this country.

    I absolutely hope it doesn't come to it but I will stand and fight one more time if need be.Also those of us that have the military training and combat experience (thanks to our own government)especially should help pass those skills on to those who don't.

    Make no mistake I would protect the president with my life.For the simple reason I don't want to see him made a martyr.But I would like to get America back to where we can look them (pelosi,Reid,Biden and all these socialist elitist)in the eye and say Your fired ,go home and stay out of our lives.I really believe what they are doing is border line treason .

    But then as you said that pesky Constitution is getting in the way.Especially the second ammendment.Every despot throughout history has disarmed the populace in their march to total control.Besides personal protection the secaond ammendment was put there to protect ourselves from exactly what is happening now.

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