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    I just bought my very first pistal. It's a TISAS Zigana K. I think it's somewhat modeled after a walther P88 compact. I read some reviews online, and it sounds like a well made gun. It's made in turkey, and used by some turkish military and security forces from what i've read.



    Now i need to get my CPL, and a couple of nice holsters.

    I'll try to come to an open carry event soon so i can meet a few of you guys

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    hmmmm well good luck with it, is about all I can say...

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    Congratulations! Just make sure you get it to the range and some down the pipe

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    Congratulations. Never heard of them, but it doesn't look all that bad. I hope it turns out to be a fine pistol and give you great service. Make sure to treat it properly by putting profuse amounts of ammo down the bore.

    As a suggestion on a holster, You might check out NTAC. He is usually at Gibraltar on weekends, and makes a nice holster at a decent price.

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    Congrats! You always remember your first one.

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    Hey, that's great. :celebrate

    Make sure it's reliable for you.

    And give us a range report after you shoot it up.

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    Let me know if its any good. Looks like a really nice pistol. How much was it?

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    Looks nice, hopefully it functions just as nice. I think I speak for most when I say that I've never heard of the company, however, just because we haven't heard of it, doesn't mean that it's not a great functioning gun. If they're newer, or have most of their client base in europe, this wouldn't be too uncommon I imagine, but everyone has to start somewhere
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    Dang not really a cheapy like I was hoping. Just looked it up on Gunbroker and they are like $350 to $400. I would rather by another Glock, H&K or Sig I think.

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    It is very nice looking though..

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    The company has only been around since 1993. I emailed a friend in Germany when I first read this and he just e-mailed back. He works for a security company and says that they are very popular among his employees and are quality firearms. They have been using them about 1 year and have had no problems after running thousands of rounds through them. He was surprised that they were as expensive as they were here; he considered them "economy but high quality". Perhaps they are all imported and that's what influences the price.

    Nonetheless, I like it. Have fun!
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    I have a friend who has one of the Turkish shotguns.. a pump and it is just as reliable as my 500 or any 870 I have ever used!
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    I'm not to fond of the safety, but it looks like a nice gun. Please give us a detailed range report after you take it out to the Pit or wherever you go...
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    Michigander wrote:
    I'm not to fond of the safety, but it looks like a nice gun. Please give us a detailed range report after you take it out to the Pit or wherever you go...
    Same place as a berretta....
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    Unless it's a grip safety, I don't believe a manual safety belongs on a defensive handgun. If someone wants one that's fine by me, millions of people like guns that have them, but they're definitely not needed if you have a good holster and a good gun.
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    Michigander wrote:
    Unless it's a grip safety, I don't believe a manual safety belongs on a defensive handgun. If someone wants one that's fine by me, millions of people like guns that have them, but they're definitely not needed if you have a good holster and a good gun.

    "Millions" have them....but...."they're definitely not needed?"

    You're saying that "millions" of gun-owners are making a mistake?

    Um, how do you know that to be true?



    And what happens if someone, out of the "millions" has a gun, with a manual safety but does not have a good holster? Is a manual safety OK with you then?

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    Without a good holster, I don't see a good reason to carry with the chamber hot.
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    HankT wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    Unless it's a grip safety, I don't believe a manual safety belongs on a defensive handgun. If someone wants one that's fine by me, millions of people like guns that have them, but they're definitely not needed if you have a good holster and a good gun.

    "Millions" have them....but...."they're definitely not needed?"

    You're saying that "millions" of gun-owners are making a mistake?

    Um, how do you know that to be true?



    And what happens if someone, out of the "millions" has a gun, with a manual safety but does not have a good holster? Is a manual safety OK with you then?
    I obviously can not speak for Michigander, but what I gathered from reading the post is that he was simply saying that when you are in a defensive situation, seconds count. I have even known LEO's who forgot to deactivate the safety in the heat of the moment and one who almost paid with his life. I know that responsible carriers practice this over and again, and will never forget, but it may cost you precious seconds when it matters most.

    I did not gather that Michigander was saying anything negative about those who choose to carry weapons with a manual safety.

    Edit to add: Looks like Michigander did not need me to chime in. The posts are 8 minutes apart, but his was not there when I posted mine. BTW, I second that Michigander - the chamber should not be hot without a good holster.
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    Yep, my points exactly.



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    Michigander wrote:
    Without a good holster, I don't see a good reason to carry with the chamber hot.
    Hmm, I thought we were talking about the manual safety being "definitely not needed if you have a good holster..."

    Now, we're talking about carrying without one in the chamber.

    OK. I can handle the switch.

    So, if a person carries, say, a GLOCK 23, in a cheap, non-retention generic holster, then it's OK with you that he or she does so without one in the chamber?







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    Competition practice takes care of the safety trust me... I am taking off and putting on the safety constantly and have never forgotten it... and my times are no better or worse when I am shooting a glock on the same course of fire...
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    the pistol cost me $360. It is brand new, came with 2 magazines, a nice carrying case, owners manual and a gun cleaning kit.



    I was very impressed with Lapeer County Sheriff's dept when it came to my purchase permit. I don't think the entire process took 10 minutes, and most of the time spent was me taking the very difficult test.



    didn't have a chance to fire it last nite, the wife and i already had plans. I am working 24 hours today, but will fire at least 50 rounds tomorrow morning and report back.



    Perhaps a topic for a different thread....I ride a motorcycle as my primary mode of transportation in the summer. I think i am legal if i transport the pistol unloaded, in a closed case separate from the ammo, and inside a cargo bag secured to my motorcycle. That would beinaccessable to me whilesitting on the bike.I would have to physically get off the machine to open the compartment where the pistolwould be stored. Then again, an officer would need reasonable suspicion to search my motorcycle anyhow as i would not give him permission if the scenario ever presented itself. I'll hopefully get my CPL soon then i can carry the weapon "concieled" on my motorcycle while it's strapped to my thigh andout in the open



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    HankT wrote:
    Hmm, I thought we were talking about the manual safety being "definitely not needed if you have a good holster..."

    Now, we're talking about carrying without one in the chamber.

    OK. I can handle the switch.

    So, if a person carries, say, a GLOCK 23, in a cheap, non-retention generic holster, then it's OK with you that he or she does so without one in the chamber?
    People can do whatever the hell they want. I'm only expressing my opinions.
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    Michigander wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    Hmm, I thought we were talking about the manual safety being "definitely not needed if you have a good holster..."

    Now, we're talking about carrying without one in the chamber.

    OK. I can handle the switch.*

    So, if a person carries, say, a GLOCK 23, in a cheap, non-retention generic holster, then it's OK with you that he or she does so without one in the chamber? As long as people make their choices in a conscious manner, I have no problem with it.
    People can do whatever the hell they want. I'm only expressing my opinions.
    WE know that, Michigander . Everything anyone writes here is an "opinion". I think you are just stating your preference; that is all. HankT likes to play the role of a gadfly and, looking at the posts in other state sections of OCDO, his opinions sometimes do get people quite upset.

    I agree with you. However, I am one of the Glock 23 types with one in the chamber. I realize the issues and accept responsibility for my decision. Some people question the basic choice to carry. Some think carry in general is ok, but question whenothers choose to carry. Such is life.
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    I shot 100 rounds of the cheapest ammo i could find through my tisas zigana K. I really like this pistol. It feels good in my hands, is accurate, really easy to disassemble, clean and reassemble. 15+1 rounds is pretty cool too. Is 13 bucks for 50 rounds about what i should be paying for cheap ammo? I'd like to purchase some quality ammo for personal protection and fire at least 100 rounds of that in the near future, but money is a little tight right now.

    The only thing i don't really care for is the location of the safety. I feel like i have to reach for it more than i'd really like.

    I also threw together a leather retention holster out of some scrap leather i had laying around. This was my first attempt at any leatherworking. I'm sure the next holster i make will be better. This one cost me zero dollars in materials, and just a few hours of my time. It is very functional and must not look too crude, as several people have asked me where i bought it.

    photo taken with my crappy cell phone camera. I can't take a photo of it with the pistol in it today because i'm at work and we are not allowed to have firearms on city property while on duty. I don't think pre-emption applies to work rules involving employee/employer relationship's, even if the employer is a township.


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