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    Here is another open carry story related to an Obama health care rally.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090817/...rotesters_guns

    I watched a segment on CNN on this earlier tonight.The liberals are deathly afraid of Americans exercising their Constitutional Second Amendment rights!!!

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    I watched this on CNN it was a peaceful rally, and I think it is great that these gentleman expressed their right to bear arms, and except for some :what: from the press and secret service it went remarkably well. There were no arrests and Arizona Police went on record stating that what they were doing was not illegal. Kudos to them
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    Video of CNN freaking out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCJn9XEfhU

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    "The gun was loaded. Told that to an interviewer!:shock:" hahaha oh sheeple...

    Awesome story! AR15 hehe:celebrate

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    I hate to say this, but I can see something bad happening here if this continues. Someone trying to grab a gun from a gun owner, or a crazy bad guy bringing his own gun and picking a fight. I hope that it doesn't come to that.
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    Yep, I saw this on CNN. They said that anywhere the President goes is a federal site and thus no firearms are permitted. That was the first I had heard of that. Where do they draw the line?

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    Jshu wrote:
    They said that anywhere the President goes is a federal site and thus no firearms are permitted.
    They're making it up as they go along. Nothing new there.

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    Jshu wrote:
    Yep, I saw this on CNN. They said that anywhere the President goes is a federal site and thus no firearms are permitted. That was the first I had heard of that. Where do they draw the line?
    bs. As TexasNative said, the SS makes up crap all the time. Who's to stop them?:X:?

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    Sheriff wrote:
    I'm gonna have to draw the line in the sand here now.I'll defend open carry all day long, but at the same time I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

    With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

    OK, feel free to flame me now! :shock:
    My main concern is what the union thugs will do to escalate the situation.

    And the country does NOT need a martyr.

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    I do not agree with taking an AR-15 or any long gun, and parading it around in public. I do not agree with this if it is a presidential function or just going out for a coffee at the local 7-11. I am glad that nothing happened (I think that some positive came out of it as well as some negative) would I do it myself no way. However sheriff do you believe that someone should not be able to CCW at a presidential function or rally?? I feel that just because the president is coming to town does not mean that I can not legally carry, but discretion should be used.
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    Well I'm just making a wild freaking guess.............That maybe the President is not

    very popular???

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    Sheriff wrote:
    I'm gonna have to draw the line in the sand here now.I'll defend open carry all day long, but at the same time I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

    With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

    OK, feel free to flame me now! :shock:
    While I see your point, I feel that the only reason that these people are out there is because of Obama's anti-gun agenda. If he was trying to ban assault-motorcycles, I am sure that we would see a bunch of guys on their Harleys at these rallies. In my work as a cop, I have never taken a gun (when I had discretion) from anyone for "officer safety" unless their actions were criminal or irrational.

    Althoughgoing to these ralliesis not something that I would do, I respect the rights of people to assert their Constitutional Second Amendment rights legally, especially when they are in danger of being taken away.

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    Sheriff wrote:
    I'm gonna have to draw the line in the sand here now.I'll defend open carry all day long, but at the same time I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

    With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

    OK, feel free to flame me now! :shock:
    The declaration of independence states all men are created equal and that we have certain inalienable rights granted to us by our Creator.

    As far as I'm concerned, Obama's life is no more important than my own, he has hundreds of people with guns there to protect his life, why should I not be able to have a gun to protect my own? No one looks out for my safety but myself.

    Not to mention, if someone was going to make an attempt on the president's life, why in the world would they open carry their firearms? Don't you think that would attract a little unwanted attention from SS sniper scopes? If that guy reached for his rifle I would count on him being put down with several shots before he could have even shouldered his rifle.

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    Sheriff wrote:
    I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

    With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed.
    Why?

    This "common sense" is often cited, yet never explained.

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    Also, are we not a nation of laws? It'd be nice if someone would actually pass a law before the Secret Service starts banning guns.

    And then there's the concern of such a law's constitutionality.

    Oh, and the "making it up as they go along" remark I made earlier can equally apply to CNN and the Secret Service. In that particular case, I'm pretty sure it was CNN making it up. Y'know, instead of reporting the truth.

    Facts are such annoying things!

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    Sheriff wrote:
    I'm gonna have to draw the line in the sand here now.I'll defend open carry all day long, but at the same time I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

    With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

    OK, feel free to flame me now! :shock:
    The declaration of independence states all men are created equal and that we have certain inalienable rights granted to us by our Creator.

    As far as I'm concerned, Obama's life is no more important than my own, he has hundreds of people with guns there to protect his life, why should I not be able to have a gun to protect my own? No one looks out for my safety but myself.

    Not to mention, if someone was going to make an attempt on the president's life, why in the world would they open carry their firearms? Don't you think that would attract a little unwanted attention from SS sniper scopes? If that guy reached for his rifle I would count on him being put down with several shots before he could have even shouldered his rifle.

    I'm with you 100%!!!!!!!!!!! To tell the truth the life of my family is way more important then Obama's life is to me

    If us Peasants can't be armed at certain places then no one in Government should be allowed to be armed either. That is unless you believe that people in Government are more honest and law-abiding then us Peasants. A search of news stories from around the country will tell you that isn't the case




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    I agree, that the open carry of arms at such political rallys makes for a very strong statement. [read the comments on the news article from Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...eech/comments/]

    However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

    Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?

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    Well, the guy who did that would be charged with murder. If other folks were carrying openly, he'd be lucky to survive.

    Open carry means it is dangerous for terrorists. Ask the Israelis.

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    We need 100 open carriers at the next event!!!

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    Did anyone else notice...THE BLACK MAN WITH A GUN!

    Are we sure that wasn't Danbus in disguise????

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    Under 18 USC 3056, the Secret Service sets up areas designated as National Security Events. They establish a perimeter, search all those entering, and keep a watch on the areas outside the event as well. Within that perimeter around the POTUS, the Federal authority overrides state/local laws. OUTSIDE the perimeter is not "at" the event, it's just next to it. State and local laws apply. The men who have been carrying at the NH and AZ events have been outside the event, not at it. There was no threat to the POTUS or other dignitary, since they arrived/departed in armored SUV's and embarked/disembarked from those SUV's while out of view of the protestors. And, I'm sure they were under observation the whole time. So what's the big deal? As long as the local LE and the SS weren't overly concerned about this, why should anyone else get their panties in a bunch? Those guys had a RIGHT to do what they did, and some may not like it, but should be standing tall to defend that right. Just as you would defend free speech you didn't agree with.

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    I love my state!!!!:celebrate:celebrate

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    johnfenter wrote:
    Under 18 USC 3056, the Secret Service sets up areas designated as National Security Events. They establish a perimeter, search all those entering, and keep a watch on the areas outside the event as well. Within that perimeter around the POTUS, the Federal authority overrides state/local laws.
    Yeah uhh....I'm curious what clause in the constitution they believe gives them the power to do this. (i.e. arbitrarily proclaim a mini- federal police state at any time and place.)

    The presidency is bigger than any one man.

    And yes, if anything happened to Obama, my god.... it would be like JFK and MLK combined. A veritable religion would arise among the sheeple over the lost promise of The One. It would probably make me sick enough I'd have to leave the country.





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    OK... here comes the great big can of worms... and after I get it open, don't be afraid to tell me how you really feel.

    I've heard people say, "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you ought to", to justify their view, that it was irresponsible to open carry at the recent Town Hall and Presidential appearance.

    Well I use that phrase all the time too. But usually to illustrate to my kids, that you shouldn't rob banks, or participate in some other "illegal" activity. To me, it just doesn't carry the same meaning, when used to suggest one shouldn't exercise their Constitutional rights.

    The only reason I can think of for the libs (or any of you on this site) to be so "up in arms" about armed citizens being too nearto our political leaders, is that our political leaders are doing something they know they shouldn't be doing. In other words, they shouldn't be afraid of an armed public... unless they have a reason to be.

    Most of the people at this event, were there to exercise their 1st amendment right (freedom of speech) to make their views known.
    Well, Obama has made it clear that he is no friend to gun owners. So, some of the other people at this event, were simply exercising their 2nd amendment right, to make their views known as well. I don't see the problem.

    Those who want gun ownership abolished, always will (for the most part). Hiding our guns from them, will not change their views, or their ultimate goal, which is to of rid this country of guns. I agree that "shoving our guns in their faces" (so to speak), will only antagonize them... but quite frankly, I don't give a crap. Either they will not outlaw guns, and I will still have mine, or they will outlaw guns, and then... well if that time ever comes... we will see, what we will see...

    And what we will see...is who will support and uphold the Constitution of these United States, and who will not.

    Now, just to set the record straight. The people involved (I was not one of them. I was actually in NM at the time of the event), notified the Phoenix Police Dept the night before the event, to detail their intentions. The only concern the police expressed, was the possibility thatwackos from the ACORN crowd, would try to over power the "carriers" by sheer numbers, and take their weapons. This is why the "carriers" were escorted (from a distance) by two Phoenix PD Public Relations Officers, AND two Secret Service Agents. The AR (although having a mag in the well), was empty. The pistols were not.

    Quite frankly, I'm very disappointed with the LEOs on this site (or anywhere for that matter) who frown on me or others, exercising their legal rights.



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    DMGNUT - very well written. I totally agree.

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    You want everybody disarmed, eh? Within 1,000 yds of the President?

    Sure. *IF* you disarm all of the police, SS, private bodyguards, military, and everyone else around him to.

    If not, then take your stinking, totalitarian opinion and shove it. That's as diplomatic as I'm going to put it. I'm glad you're back East, where most of the "police state" people play. Your brand of "sheriff" around here wouldn't survive the next election.

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    Armed wrote:
    However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

    Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?
    I think that something precisely like this will occur -- either by a leftist radical or a covert government operation (our own government or one of our enemies). Although a bit far fetched, read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. An incident such as you describe would very quickly lead to a military state and the outlaw of all weapons. Given the huge potential return for the progressive cause, it's only a matter of time before they realize that the one action will forever undermine the 2nd Ammendment. And the Main Stream Media would jump all over it without even questioning the origin and purpose of such an action.

    Dire times are ahead. The signs are there.

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