Another Open Carry Story at Obama Rally

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I love my state!!!!:celebrate:celebrate

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johnfenter wrote:

Under 18 USC 3056, the Secret Service sets up areas designated as National Security Events. They establish a perimeter, search all those entering, and keep a watch on the areas outside the event as well. Within that perimeter around the POTUS, the Federal authority overrides state/local laws.

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Yeah uhh....I'm curious what clause in the constitution they believe gives them the power to do this. (i.e. arbitrarily proclaim a mini- federal police state at any time and place.)

The presidency is bigger than any one man.

And yes, if anything happened to Obama, my god.... it would be like JFK and MLK combined. A veritable religion would arise among the sheeple over the lost promise of The One. It would probably make me sick enough I'd have to leave the country.

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OK... here comes the great big can of worms... and after I get it open, don't be afraid to tell me how you really feel.

I've heard people say, "Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you ought to", to justify their view, that it was irresponsible to open carry at the recent Town Hall and Presidential appearance.

Well I use that phrase all the time too. But usually to illustrate to my kids, that you shouldn't rob banks, or participate in some other "illegal" activity. To me, it just doesn't carry the same meaning, when used to suggest one shouldn't exercise their Constitutional rights.

The only reason I can think of for the libs (or any of you on this site) to be so "up in arms" about armed citizens being too nearto our political leaders, is that our political leaders are doing something they know they shouldn't be doing. In other words, they shouldn't be afraid of an armed public... unless they have a reason to be.

Most of the people at this event, were there to exercise their 1st amendment right (freedom of speech) to make their views known.
Well, Obama has made it clear that he is no friend to gun owners. So, some of the other people at this event, were simply exercising their 2nd amendment right, to make their views known as well. I don't see the problem.

Those who want gun ownership abolished, always will (for the most part). Hiding our guns from them, will not change their views, or their ultimate goal, which is to of rid this country of guns. I agree that "shoving our guns in their faces" (so to speak), will only antagonize them... but quite frankly, I don't give a crap. Either they will not outlaw guns, and I will still have mine, or they will outlaw guns, and then... well if that time ever comes... we will see, what we will see...

And what we will see...is who will support and uphold the Constitution of these United States, and who will not.

Now, just to set the record straight. The people involved (I was not one of them. I was actually in NM at the time of the event), notified the Phoenix Police Dept the night before the event, to detail their intentions. The only concern the police expressed, was the possibility thatwackos from the ACORN crowd, would try to over power the "carriers" by sheer numbers, and take their weapons. This is why the "carriers" were escorted (from a distance) by two Phoenix PD Public Relations Officers, AND two Secret Service Agents. The AR (although having a mag in the well), was empty. The pistols were not.

Quite frankly, I'm very disappointed with the LEOs on this site (or anywhere for that matter) who frown on me or others, exercising their legal rights.

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DMGNUT - very well written. I totally agree.

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You want everybody disarmed, eh? Within 1,000 yds of the President?

Sure. *IF* you disarm all of the police, SS, private bodyguards, military, and everyone else around him to.

If not, then take your stinking, totalitarian opinion and shove it. That's as diplomatic as I'm going to put it. I'm glad you're back East, where most of the "police state" people play. Your brand of "sheriff" around here wouldn't survive the next election.

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Armed wrote:

However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?

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I think that something precisely like this will occur -- either by a leftist radical or a covert government operation (our own government or one of our enemies). Although a bit far fetched, read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. An incident such as you describe would very quickly lead to a military state and the outlaw of all weapons. Given the huge potential return for the progressive cause, it's only a matter of time before they realize that the one action will forever undermine the 2nd Ammendment. And the Main Stream Media would jump all over it without even questioning the origin and purpose of such an action.

Dire times are ahead. The signs are there.

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Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:

You want everybody disarmed, eh? Within 1,000 yds of the President?

Sure. *IF* you disarm all of the police, SS, private bodyguards, military, and everyone else around him to.

If not, then take your stinking, totalitarian opinion and shove it. That's as diplomatic as I'm going to put it. I'm glad you're back East, where most of the "police state" people play. Your brand of "sheriff" around here wouldn't survive the next election.

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I said EVERYBODY!

If you go to some of the law enforcement forums you will see how many cops hate the President. I wouldn't trust some of them 50 feet from the President!

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alnitak wrote:

Armed wrote:

However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?

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I think that something precisely like this will occur -- either by a leftist radical or a covert government operation (our own government or one of our enemies). Although a bit far fetched, read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. An incident such as you describe would very quickly lead to a military state and the outlaw of all weapons. Given the huge potential return for the progressive cause, it's only a matter of time before they realize that the one action will forever undermine the 2nd Ammendment. And the Main Stream Media would jump all over it without even questioning the origin and purpose of such an action.

Dire times are ahead. The signs are there.

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They say that to defeat an enemy, you must first understand him.

You sir, are the most prepared person I've encountered.

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canadian wrote:

They say that to defeat an enemy, you must first understand him.

You sir, are the most prepared person I've encountered.

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LOL...I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek or serious, but I am certainly not very well prepared for the chance that the above will occur. Do I really think our Government will instigate such a situation? ... No. I am not a conspiracy believer. However, I do think it is likely that a foreign government/terrorist organization will see an opportunity to weaken America and cause severe civil unrest. And I do not put it past a rogue element (e.g., leftist radical) from a group that professes overt, violentactions (as has been the cause with many leftist groups over the years, even ACORN) to act on their own to accomplish the "holy grail" for progressives.

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alnitak wrote:

Armed wrote:

However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?

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I think that something precisely like this will occur -- either by a leftist radical or a covert government operation (our own government or one of our enemies). Although a bit far fetched, read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. An incident such as you describe would very quickly lead to a military state and the outlaw of all weapons. Given the huge potential return for the progressive cause, it's only a matter of time before they realize that the one action will forever undermine the 2nd Ammendment. And the Main Stream Media would jump all over it without even questioning the origin and purpose of such an action.

Dire times are ahead. The signs are there.

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I think if that scenario were to play out, it would be exposed fairly quickly in the ensuing investigation. Whether that would be put out to the public is another question entirely, but I think it would be difficult (at best) to keep buried.

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Obama comes to Phoenix Arizona so does Chris and his AR15

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5h0Q8X8bY

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_2vf2hm6Z4

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PavePusher wrote:

I think if that scenario were to play out, it would be exposed fairly quickly in the ensuing investigation.

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I hope and pray that is the case. I still retain faith in an America that believes in values such as truth, integrity and honor. Unfortunately, since the last great generation, those qualities have become more rare in our businessmen, husbands, fathers,and political and spiritual leaders. Certainly, since Reagan, the newer crop of presidents have been ... flawed. Ofcourse, I have no explanation for those 75-year-old congressman and senators ... they're of a different era and should know better.

Ah, well....


Good videos, Coast!

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Much to Obamas credit he had the WH press secretary issue a statement today

"There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally," he said. "Those laws don't change when the president comes to your state or locality."

The entire article can be read here http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/18/AR2009081803416.html


Now don't take this as an endorsment for the current regime I just think that credit should be given where credit is due.

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alnitak wrote:

Armed wrote:

However - I would caution that we seriously consider what we're doing here. If some wack-job liberal really wanted to make a splash, and ensure a negative public opinion on the open carry of firearms, all he/she would have to do is show up at one of these rallyswith an arm or two, and begin spraying the crowd with bullets.

Now just think about the long-term impact of something like that. How would that play out?

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I think that something precisely like this will occur -- either by a leftist radical or a covert government operation (our own government or one of our enemies). Although a bit far fetched, read "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" by Matthew Bracken. An incident such as you describe would very quickly lead to a military state and the outlaw of all weapons. Given the huge potential return for the progressive cause, it's only a matter of time before they realize that the one action will forever undermine the 2nd Ammendment. And the Main Stream Media would jump all over it without even questioning the origin and purpose of such an action.

Dire times are ahead. The signs are there.

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Ahhh... you see and understand the dilema.

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damn, if I knew this was going to happen, I would have taken the day off and went myself.

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I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

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If you are truly pro gun then why would you say this? Fact of the matter is the bad guys will bring them regardless. If I was President I would encourage OC.

Oh...I would try to get everyone that works today,to work only four days a week as well :shock:

Illegals to be sent home...

No government run health care...

Pro Gun laws put in affect...

Make abortion illegal...

so much more (and that's my first 100 frign days)

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Pistol-Packing-Preacher-in-PV wrote:

You want everybody disarmed, eh? Within 1,000 yds of the President?

Sure. *IF* you disarm all of the police, SS, private bodyguards, military, and everyone else around him to.

If not, then take your stinking, totalitarian opinion and shove it. That's as diplomatic as I'm going to put it. I'm glad you're back East, where most of the "police state" people play. Your brand of "sheriff" around here wouldn't survive the next election.

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The Constitution does not take a holiday in the presence of temporary pseudo-Royalty. We already fought a 13 year war against that crap to secure certain liberties. Not 'priviledges'... LIBERTIES.I'm normally against any form of 'grandstanding'... but in this instance, it was an overwhelming wake-up call to all the nanny-state ninnies that FREE people still exist in this nation.

Thank God I had enuff sense to escape that sort of institutionalized eastern madness years ago.Few ever ask where I'm from... But by God the next time that happens... it's gonna be answered with: 'Arizona!'. Anything else was just an accident of birth. I'm a pistol packin' Suth'ern 'Zonie 'n damn proud of it.

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

I'm normally against any form of 'grandstanding'... but in this instance, it was an overwhelming wake-up call to all the nanny-state ninnies that FREE people still exist in this nation.

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Judging by some of the youtube videos I've watched about it, I think it was a very calculated move for him to have the AR, and everyone else to carry sidearms. Definitely the way to do it, so that morons can't scream racism. He had to set himself apart from the white guys (and girls?) who were OCing and get as much positive or neutral attention as possible. And he did it brilliantly.

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hunter45 wrote:

Video of CNN freaking out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCJn9XEfhU

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:what:OMG, It's a BMWAG! :uhoh:Or would that be a BMWAW (Black man w/ Assault Weapon)

I can't believe the Communist News Network would be freaking out! They report the news, not opinions........ROFLMAO:lol:

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Sheriff wrote:

I'm gonna have to draw the line in the sand here now.I'll defend open carry all day long, but at the same time I personally feel nobody needs afirearm when attending any function where the President is. This is just plain exercising common sense versus the right to carry a firearm.

With some of the comments I have heard in real life lately, I would go far as to say anybody within 1,000 yards of the President should be disarmed. Whether any of us like Obama or not, I don't think we need to shave another JFK in the history books.

OK, feel free to flame me now! :shock:

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Sheriff, I can't believe your comparing Obama-Osama to JFK!:shock:

Other than them being Democrats I don't see any policy similarities. I was not alive during JFK, but I payed attention in history class! AND JFK SERVED IN THE ARMED FORCES! That says alot right there!