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    PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

    Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

    Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

    The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

    Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who monitored the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.

    "Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

    Last week, during Obama's health care town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., a man carrying a sign reading "It is time to water the tree of liberty" stood outside with a pistol strapped to his leg.

    "It's a political statement," he told The Boston Globe. "If you don't use your rights, then you lose your rights."

    Police asked the man to move away from school property, but he was not arrested.

    Fred Solop, a Northern Arizona University political scientist, said the incidents in New Hampshire and Arizona could signal the beginning of a disturbing trend.

    "When you start to bring guns to political rallies, it does layer on another level of concern and significance," Solop said. "It actually becomes quite scary for many people. It creates a chilling effect in the ability of our society to carry on honest communication."

    He said he's never heard of someone bringing an assault weapon near a presidential event. "The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation," he said.

    Phoenix was Obama's last stop on a four-day tour of western states, including Montana and Colorado.

    Authorities in Montana said they received no reports of anyone carrying firearms during Obama's health care town hall near Bozeman on Friday. About 1,000 people both for and against Obama converged at a protest area near the Gallatin Field Airport hangar where the event took place. One person accused of disorderly conduct was detained and released, according to the Gallatin Airport Authority.

    Heather Benjamin of Denver's Mesa County sheriff's department, the lead agency during Obama's visit there, said no one was arrested.

    Arizona is an "open-carry" state, which means anyone legally allowed to have a firearm can carry it in public as long as it's visible. Only someone carrying a concealed weapon is required to have a permit.

    Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.

    "To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."
    He said people who bring guns to presidential events are distracting the Secret Service and law enforcement from protecting the president. "The more guns we see at more events like this, there's more potential for something tragic happening," he said.
    Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.
    "In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."
    Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls for comment

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    Everyone else is doing it, why can't we? Even with the evil black rifle in attendance, there were no incidents.

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    If an organization like the brady-bunch is so against blatantly our constitution and what oit stands for, why are they not named as a domestic terrorist group or traitors?

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    http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/Man-protests-President-Obamas-Phoenix-speech-with/q4OeoN6qZU-efcy1Zoq7xQ.cspx
    "I come from another state where open carry is legal, but no one does it, so police don't really know about it, and they harass people and arrest people falsely," he said. "In America, people have the ability to fight back and resist."
    A black man from Wisconsin? too good to be true!

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    So with all these town hall meetings and rallys... the latest 2 that became violent, were at events where people DIDNT have guns...

    the events WITH the guns:celebrate, there was no violence...



    hmmmm

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    That guy did pretty good. I'm still gonna leave the AR at home.

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    this is awsome things are starting to really happen, there may be hope yet.

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    thesledhead wrote:
    this is awsome things are starting to really happen, there may be hope yet.
    now,300 people with pistols,100 guys with AR-15's & AK-47's , and 2 guys with barrett 50 cals would have been way cool.:celebrate That would send a message to the "MAN" It could begin at any time.
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    GlocksRfun wrote:
    That guy did pretty good. I'm still gonna leave the AR at home.
    Yea, my M4 is staying at home. I've spent way too much time, blood, sweat, and money on that thing to get it impounded by some overzealous cop or ss agent. Besides, If I need more than my .45 I'm clearly in big trouble.
    The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    Some more fodder for Fox News, Sly, Vicky, et al to pound MSNBC on:

    (Apparently MSNBCthinks there is no such person as a black open carry advocate.)

    Sorry for the long post, but the transcript demonstrates how weirdly out of touch with middle America the New York media is.

    I guess when the show's host has worked for "I was a member of the NRA" Bloomberg, there is no doubtwhere any discussionof 2nd Admendment rights will be going to.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Ratigan

    Dylan James Ratigan (born April 19, 1972(1972-04-19) in Saranac Lake, NY) is a journalist covering the political angle of the financial markets and the broader economy for MSNBC.

    Before moving to television, Ratigan wrote for Bloomberg News. He created the mergers and acquisitions beat and established Bloomberg News’ capital markets and equity derivative coverage.

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    MSNBC: ObamaCare Protesters ‘Racist,’ Including Black Gun-Owner

    On Tuesday, MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer fretted over health care reform protesters legally carrying guns: "A man at a pro-health care reform rally...wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip....there are questions about whether this has racial overtones....white people showing up with guns." Brewer failed to mention the man she described was black.

    Following Brewer’s report, which occurred on the Morning Meeting program, host Dylan Ratigan and MSNBC pop culture analyst Toure discussed the supposed racism involved in the protests. Toure argued: "...there is tremendous anger in this country about government, the way government seems to be taking over the country, anger about a black person being president....we see these hate groups rising up and this is definitely part of that." Ratigan agreed: "...then they get the variable of a black president on top of all these other things and that’s the move – the cherry on top, if you will, to the accumulated frustration for folks."

    Not only did Brewer, Ratigan, and Toure fail to point out the fact that the gun-toting protester that sparked the discussion was black, but the video footage shown of that protester was so edited, that it was impossible to see that he was black. The man appeared at a health care rally outside of President Obama’s speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Arizona.

    The Arizona Republic reported: "A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at Third and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault weapon) on a strap over his shoulder. ‘Because I can do it,’ he said when asked why he was armed. ‘In Arizona, I still have some freedoms.’" A picture accompanying the article showed the man was African-American.

    Not being content with portraying all health care reform protesters as racist, Toure went on to predict an attempt on Obama’s life: "I’m not going to be surprised if we see somebody get a chance and take a chance and really try to hurt him or really....we’re going to see somebody, you know, some sort of Squeaky From, some sort of Mark [John] Hinckley figure, because there’s so much anger in the country about him, about what’s going on with government." Ratigan replied: "Angry at government and racism, you put those two together."

    Recently, MSNBC host David Shuster similarly saw protesters at health care town hall meetings as a threat to the President’s life, asking Democratic Congressman Jim Moran: "Is this putting our president in some sort of danger because of some wacko that will see this stuff and say, ‘oh, yes, it’s fascism and the way we dealt with Adolf Hitler was to try to kill him, so therefore, let’s do this with our president.’"

    At the end of Tuesday’s exchange, Brewer did observe: "Just to put a finer point on this, just because people are worried about the government getting too big and taking power where it should not, does not necessarily correlate to people being racist." Ratigan agreed but argued: "I would say people frustrated with the government raises the overall temperature....you would install a black president at a time when the temperature is higher and you just have a more volatile combination, where people have to behave in a more conscious manner or we’re going to have problems."

    Here is a full transcript of the segment:


    10:41AM TEASE:

    DYLAN RATIGAN: Still to come at the Morning Meeting, protesters packing heat at town hall meetings, it continues to happen. Is this freedom of speech or an implied threat? Even if it is legal? Guns at town hall meetings.

    10:45AM SEGMENT:

    DYLAN RATIGAN: Alright, guns at town hall rallies, you’re probably familiar. Well, people continue to do it, packing heat at these health care protests. Contessa has the latest. What’s going on?

    CONTESSA BREWER: Yeah, we are closely following here, Dylan, town halls and other events around the country today to see who shows up and what they bring with them. More than 20 town halls scheduled from east-to-west, Virginia to Washington state. Yesterday, as President Obama addressed the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix. A man at a pro-health care reform rally just outside, wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip. The Associated Press reports about a dozen people in all at that event were visible carrying firearms. And if the scene looks familiar, that’s because it should, last week a guy stood outside Obama’s health care town hall in Portsmouth, New Hampshire with a gun strapped to his leg and police arrested a 62-year-old before that New Hampshire event for carrying unlicensed loaded gun. And the reason we’re talking about this, a lot of talk here, Dylan, because people feel like, yes, there are Second Amendment rights for sure but also there are questions about whether this has racial overtones. I mean, here you have a man of color in the presidency and white people showing up with guns strapped to their waists or to their legs.

    TOURE: It sounds simplistic when you put it that way, but it is real that there is tremendous anger in this country about government, the way government seems to be taking over the country, anger about a black person being president. Just several upheavals in the country over the last ten years from 9/11, to the economic tsunami, to the black man becoming president and, you know, we see these hate groups rising up and this is definitely part of that.

    BREWER: So do you – do you think if Barack Obama were white, though, that you would not see people showing up – let’s say if it were Bill Clinton – you would not see people showing up with weapons strapped to their legs?

    TOURE: You know, I don’t know. I don’t know. That – I mean-

    RATIGAN: I think it’s unknowable. The context-

    TOURE: -that’s hard to say. It is unknowable. But you do see a rise in hate group activity throughout the country.

    RATIGAN: But I think that the combination of the bank bailout coming through and the conversation where people know that they were stolen from in that. They may not know how, but they know that $14 dollars of American taxpayer money was used and a bunch of people kept the money and know the health insurance thing, they know all the – and then they get the variable of a black president on top of all these other things and that’s the move – the cherry on top, if you will, to the accumulated frustration for folks. I mean that’s-

    TOURE: I’m not going to be surprised if we see somebody get a chance and take a chance and really try to hurt him or really-

    RATIGAN: Of course.

    TOURE: You know, and I mean it’s up to the Secret Service to make sure that it doesn’t actually become history, but, you know, I think we’re going to see somebody, you know, some sort of Squeaky From, some sort of Mark Hinckley figure, because there’s so much anger in the country about him, about what’s going on with government.

    RATIGAN: Angry at government and racism, you put those two together.

    BREWER: But also because when Democratic presidents take over – I mean, during the Clinton administration, we did see a weapons ban on these semiautomatic assault weapons and did you see people showing up with guns to prove a point? You know-

    RATIGAN: No, but the economy was good then and they were, at that point, passing a law that allowed the largest financial ponzi scheme ever in ‘99. So times were good, right? In other words, when people have jobs and people are – feel like they can get rich and the credit is flowing and you’ve got a more comfortable white president, socially-

    BREWER: But don’t you think a lot of people are just uncomfortable with guns, too?

    RATIGAN: -the temperature is lower.

    BREWER: I mean if you show up-

    RATIGAN: Of course.

    BREWER: A lot of people aren’t exposed to weapons.

    TOURE: Look, we can’t separate the mood of the country, which is very uncertain, there’s a lot of tumult going on from there being a black president. And the two things fit and feed each other and so many people are happy about it and feel it’s a new post-racial America and so many people are still mad about a black person, and black people in general, reaching that level.

    RATIGAN: And then again, you combine that with the reality of unemployment, the reality of health care, there are all of these sort of frust – real things that are frustrating people who feel the government’s not delivering to them what they feel it should. And then you create this-

    TOURE: Look, I mean you can’t separate the health care debate from anger at government in general.

    RATIGAN: Of course.

    TOURE: We’ve seen these major government moves with the bank bailout, with what happened in Detroit, now here comes a third one. So people, when they talk about socialism, that is a real emotion of government taking over.

    RATIGAN: And government taking over at the same time they’re allowing the so-called fat cats in the banks, everybody’s getting away – the status quo is getting away with it and that makes people frustrated, too, and they are.

    BREWER: Just to put a finer point on this, just because people are worried about the government getting too big and taking power where it should not, does not necessarily correlate to people being racist. It’s not necessarily because of-

    TOURE: Absolutely.

    RATIGAN: That’s true, but I would say people frustrated with the government raises the overall temperature.

    BREWER: Right.

    RATIGAN: Then, totally unrelated, you would install a black president at a time when the temperature is higher and you just have a more volatile combination, where people have to behave in a more conscious manner or we’re going to have problems.

    TOURE: I mean, look, there’s no – I mean, you just know that there is a significant swath of the country that is still angry about there being a black person as president and will do whatever they have to do to show their anger.

    BREWER: I do.

    RATIGAN: But, again, there are different items that come together that can be a bad combination.

    TOURE: Yeah.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    Like they say, the purpose of a handgun is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have put down in the first place. The Barrett's like 35 pounds?... that'd be fun to try to go about your business shopping at walmart with that hanging on you.

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    Not to mention completely useless inside of a department store. I bet every customer inside of the store would be deaf.

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    GlocksRfun wrote:
    PHOENIX – About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incident in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

    Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

    Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

    The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said...
    Thank God for the NRA!





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    Wow Flipper, good find.

    Holy cow, we already knew the media was detached from reality and they would prefer to spin a story for hysteria purposes than be accurate. Hysteria sells, but just wow...

    This demonstrates something learned people have understood for a long long time.

    "If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you DO read the newspaper you are mis-informed" - Mark Twain

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