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    A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for reportedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.

    Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.

    "His job was basically to publish information, which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Mr. Orozco said.

    Prosecutors have acknowledged that Mr. Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Mr. Turner was not working for the FBI when he reportedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.

    "But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Mr. Orozco said.

    Special Agent Ross Rice, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he would not comment on or confirm Mr. Turner's relationship with the FBI.

    Mr. Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Mr. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.

    In June, Mr. Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested that government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation -- later withdrawn -- that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.

    He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.

    Mr. Orozco officially joined Mr. Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Mr. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Mr. Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.

    Mr. Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Mr. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases.

    Randall Samborn, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Chicago, said the office would not comment on Mr. Orozco's statements.

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    Thanks for posting this. I was deliberating whether I should submit it. Let's just say that I have my doubts about the motives of some posters here.

    Ah, but you've posted an anti-LEO thread. Cops would never foment civil unrest just for the sake of making arrest, would they?

    As I said in another thread, 'reset' button, my foot.

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    My my. How could there be global warming with flakes falling all over in August??

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    I think they deserve to die, too. Don't all traitors? What now?

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    trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative
    which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest
    urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers
    government officials should "obey the Constitution or die,"
    This sounds an awfully lot like entrapment. Only, on a dangerous level. Inciting people to kill others so they can be arrested for it?

    What kind of crap is this? Is this normal procedure?

    Not to bash law enforcement, but:
    Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line

    was taught by the agency
    So, evidently, inflaming, and causing someone to break the law so they can be arrested is an approved tactic used by law enforcement?

    Even if it's murder being incited?

    Wouldn't this be prosecutable as inciting criminal behavior? I know it's illegal to incite a riot. What about other illegal behavior?


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    Superlite27 wrote:
    So, evidently, inflaming, and causing someone to break the law so they can be arrested is an approved tactic used by law enforcement?

    Even if it's murder being incited?

    Wouldn't this be prosecutable as inciting criminal behavior? I know it's illegal to incite a riot. What about other illegal behavior?
    It is par for the course by FDLE standards. It was unabashedly taught at the academy I attended.

    They even taught you how to act as if the provocation was successful, even when the person you're provoking keeps their cool. In fact, one of their arguments is that:

    'Someone who keeps their cool after being kicked in the balls is clearly not right in the head. Arrest them.' They then described the very thing that was done to me just after election time. Any time you can make an excuse to say someone isn't 'normal,' you tae them to the state run funny farm. This way you're off the hook for false arrest, and can still screw up their life.
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