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    Hi all new here to site . I have been reading about opencarry in la. lived her nearly all my life and didn't know open carry was legal. What should I say if confronted about open carry and where to should I go to get some type of legal paper saying open carry is legal.

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    Welcome to the forum. You will probably get all kinds of answers on here so just be warned.

    Maybe ask the LEO where is says you can't.


    There are some on here that are going to tell you theconstitution, if you tell the LEO that it probably won't go over too good.

    Here's a forum you can check too.

    http://www.laopencarry.org/

    http://louisianacarry.org/

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    Welcome to OCDO.



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    The Louisiana Supreme Court has recognized open carry is legal in three decisions:

    - State v. Ferrand, 95-1346 (La. 12/08/95); 664 So. 2d 396

    - State v. Snoddy, 389 So. 2d 377 (La. 1980).

    - State v. Bowen, 376 So. 2d 147 (La. 1979).

    Also, an Attorney General's opinion from 1978 recognized that concealed carry is legal:

    - La. Atty. Gen. Op. No. 78‑795, 1978 WL 32078 (La.A.G.).

    The truth is that there is no law prohibiting open carry. If an officer attempts to argue that it is illegal, simply ask him to cite the relevant statute or ordinance. The only laws on the books relate exclusively to the concealment of firearms. You could always carry around a copy of one or more of these decisions if you're truly worried, though.

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    There is one more case I overlooked. If you want something that you can simply quote to a police officer, this is as good as it gets:

    "Each citizen is guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms not concealed on his person." State v. Nelson, 367 So. 2d 317, 318 (La. 1979).

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    In keeping with the case law mentioned by coureges and having in mind that police in our state still try to arrest for OC when it is not a crime here is a US Supreme Court decision concerning qualified immunity.

    Harlow vs Fitzgerald,457 U.S. 800 (1982)

    "If the law is clearly established at the time the action occurred, a police officer is not entitled to assert the defense of qualified immunity based on good faith since a reasonably competent public official should know the law governing his or her conduct". 8-1 decision!

    Louisiana does not offer qualified immunity to it's police--only partial immunity.Most police are not aware of this or even know what qualified immunity is.Local courts will generally permit various amounts of foolisness/marginal actions.But when you haul one into Federal Court for civil rights violations the picture changes in your favor.The officers simply cannot justify their actions when case law is so well established to the contrary.

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    Welcome to OCDO m44u.

    There can be much good info to find on this site.
    There's also some drek, but you'll soon see the difference
    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLT View Post
    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    thank ya'll for the advice. I'mjust wanting to be able to c m a.

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    m44u wrote:
    Hi all new here to site . I have been reading about opencarry in la. lived her nearly all my life and didn't know open carry was legal. What should I say if confronted about open carry...
    Well, if the cops decide to (incorrectly) take your gun or detain you, do NOT say: "Good, more money for me!"

    This has been tried before and does not work well.


    Welcome to OCDO. There some good advice in the previous posts.

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    4sooth wrote:
    In keeping with the case law mentioned by coureges and having in mind that police in our state still try to arrest for OC when it is not a crime here is a US Supreme Court decision concerning qualified immunity.

    Harlow vs Fitzgerald,457 U.S. 800 (1982)

    "If the law is clearly established at the time the action occurred, a police officer is not entitled to assert the defense of qualified immunity based on good faith since a reasonably competent public official should know the law governing his or her conduct". 8-1 decision!

    Louisiana does not offer qualified immunity to it's police--only partial immunity.Most police are not aware of this or even know what qualified immunity is.Local courts will generally permit various amounts of foolisness/marginal actions.But when you haul one into Federal Court for civil rights violations the picture changes in your favor.The officers simply cannot justify their actions when case law is so well established to the contrary.
    This is a good thing to know. Perhaps some of the LEO members here ought to share it with their fellow officers and perhaps post it on other websites.

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    It's nice to see that "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse" works both ways.

    The problem is there's FAR too many laws, no one can know them all, which is inherently wrong imo.

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    Oscar is right---there are far too many laws.The Louisiana State Legislature passes 1500--2000 new laws EVERY YEAR!!!Whether there is any need for them or not.

    The majority of them simply give the police numerous additional reasons to "interface" with you and I.And these interfaces generate revenue--lots of it.

    I see no end in sight.

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    4sooth wrote:
    I see no end in sight.
    I do. But this isn't a forum for religious discussion, so I'll just leave it at that.


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