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Buying and OC'ing a silencer
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MSC 45ACP
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I've never owned a supressed weapon before, but I've shota few that belonged to other government agencies. The IRS used my range when I was stationed in Cape Cod, MA. They have supressed MP5's. They let me shoot a box of ammo through one. It was weird not having to use ear protection. The "clatter" of the bolt was pretty loud, though. You also have to remember to use sub-sonic ammo when using a supressed weapon, even though standard ammo will still have the noise supressed somewhat.
Most recently, I shot a supressed M4 with a Knight's supressor a couple years ago when I worked for my last employer. It supressed the sound of standard SS109 ammo a bit, but not completely. It was still loud enough to be heard a hundred yards away, but wasn't immediately recognizable as rifle fire. The first time I heard it, it was weird. That's about the only way to describe it.
I'm just a disabled veteran on a fixed income. I don't have a chance of being able to get a tax stamp for class 3 stuff, but it sure is fun having a friend or employer that uses them
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I've never owned a supressed weapon before, but I've shota few that belonged to other government agencies. The IRS used my range when I was stationed in Cape Cod, MA. They have supressed MP5's. They let me shoot a box of ammo through one. It was weird not having to use ear protection. The "clatter" of the bolt was pretty loud, though. You also have to remember to use sub-sonic ammo when using a supressed weapon, even though standard ammo will still have the noise supressed somewhat.
Most recently, I shot a supressed M4 with a Knight's supressor a couple years ago when I worked for my last employer. It supressed the sound of standard SS109 ammo a bit, but not completely. It was still loud enough to be heard a hundred yards away, but wasn't immediately recognizable as rifle fire. The first time I heard it, it was weird. That's about the only way to describe it.
I'm just a disabled veteran on a fixed income. I don't have a chance of being able to get a tax stamp for class 3 stuff, but it sure is fun having a friend or employer that uses them
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Marco
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gis wrote:
When things go bump in the night.
Have to agree not practical for daily carry.
gis wrote:
The H&K Socom addresses the sight issue andthere areafter market sights.
When things go bump in the night.
Have to agree not practical for daily carry.
W.E.G.
Newbie
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Is that a suppressor in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Is that a suppressor in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
FightingGlock19
Regular Member
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Don't forget, silencers are NFA weapons, so you're opening yourself to paperwork checks anytime law enforcements wants to see the papers.
Don't forget, silencers are NFA weapons, so you're opening yourself to paperwork checks anytime law enforcements wants to see the papers.
TexasNative
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gis wrote:
Again, if you're saying noise suppression provides no benefit, I'll have to disagree. First hand.
~ Boyd
gis wrote:
And I can attest to first-hand experience that while the high-stress situations affect you to where you don't notice the report at the time of the shot, the effects are nonetheless the same as if you weren't in a high-stress situation. Effects can include temporarily reduced hearing capability and ringing in the ears.
Again, if you're saying noise suppression provides no benefit, I'll have to disagree. First hand.
~ Boyd
HankT
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gis wrote:
gis wrote:
Does auditory exclusion minimize or eliminate hearing damage attibutable to one-time high decibel exposure?
Tomahawk
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HankT wrote:
I doubt it. I'm not a doctor, I'm an engineer (Dammit Jim!) and my engineer's brain says the soundwaves are still hitting your eardrums whether you notice or not. Sounds like damage to me.
That said, it should take more than one round to cause noticable damage, unless you're in a confined space or something. I've been close to gun reports outdoors before with no ear protection and while all of them were loud, some of them were more painful then others, depending on the type of firearm and where I was positioned. I don't know if I have any ear damage from it, but I don't think my ears are bad for my age, considering I also used to spend lots of time around screaming jet engines.
I have friends who hunt with no ear protection, using high-powered rifles. They figure one or two shots a year won't hurt them much, and they want to be able to hear when they're stalking game. I don't think I buy that completely; some of the older guys have hearing problems, but hard to say if it's from guns or something else or just getting old.
One of them has a .30-06 bolt action rifle with a muzzle break on it. He once fired it without warning me first, and my left ear rang for a looong time. I'm fairly certain I took ear damage from that one shot. Muzzle breaks direct the noise back and to the sides. I'm also fairly certain he has damaged his own ears with that rifle, even though he is behind it, which is probably the least noisy place to be. That kind of boom is just too much. Even with earmuffs on it's still unpleasant.
I always use ear protection when I'm smart enbough to think ahead. But in a self-defense shooting you won't know to put on ears first, and you will likely not be using a suppressor. So it's your hearing or your life.
HankT wrote:
I doubt it. I'm not a doctor, I'm an engineer (Dammit Jim!) and my engineer's brain says the soundwaves are still hitting your eardrums whether you notice or not. Sounds like damage to me.
That said, it should take more than one round to cause noticable damage, unless you're in a confined space or something. I've been close to gun reports outdoors before with no ear protection and while all of them were loud, some of them were more painful then others, depending on the type of firearm and where I was positioned. I don't know if I have any ear damage from it, but I don't think my ears are bad for my age, considering I also used to spend lots of time around screaming jet engines.
I have friends who hunt with no ear protection, using high-powered rifles. They figure one or two shots a year won't hurt them much, and they want to be able to hear when they're stalking game. I don't think I buy that completely; some of the older guys have hearing problems, but hard to say if it's from guns or something else or just getting old.
One of them has a .30-06 bolt action rifle with a muzzle break on it. He once fired it without warning me first, and my left ear rang for a looong time. I'm fairly certain I took ear damage from that one shot. Muzzle breaks direct the noise back and to the sides. I'm also fairly certain he has damaged his own ears with that rifle, even though he is behind it, which is probably the least noisy place to be. That kind of boom is just too much. Even with earmuffs on it's still unpleasant.
I always use ear protection when I'm smart enbough to think ahead. But in a self-defense shooting you won't know to put on ears first, and you will likely not be using a suppressor. So it's your hearing or your life.
MSC 45ACP
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I spent 22 years in the service with almost 20 of it as a marksmanship instructor. I ALWAYS wore some sort of hearing protection, but I found out (too late) that in some situations, you should wear DOUBLE ear-pro. Plugs and muffs. When using an indoor or covered range, a high-powered rifle, machine guns (and larger caliber guns), you should use double protection. Shooting a .50 cal machine gun is a "whole body" experience. Its not as bad for the guy on the trigger, but for the loader (and anyone else not directly behind the gun) you feel the concussion with your whole body. Simple ear plugs don't do the trick.
I spent 22 years in the service with almost 20 of it as a marksmanship instructor. I ALWAYS wore some sort of hearing protection, but I found out (too late) that in some situations, you should wear DOUBLE ear-pro. Plugs and muffs. When using an indoor or covered range, a high-powered rifle, machine guns (and larger caliber guns), you should use double protection. Shooting a .50 cal machine gun is a "whole body" experience. Its not as bad for the guy on the trigger, but for the loader (and anyone else not directly behind the gun) you feel the concussion with your whole body. Simple ear plugs don't do the trick.
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I shot a 115gr 9mm out of a 4.5" barrel with no ears, took a few seconds before I got my hearing back. The thing that "hurt" the most was the supersonic crack.
I make sure I wear hearing protection when at the range, I've been considering using both plugs and muffs for rifle shooting.
ETA: I'm sure the time I spend around machinery is worse for my ears over the long run due to prolonged exposure.
I shot a 115gr 9mm out of a 4.5" barrel with no ears, took a few seconds before I got my hearing back. The thing that "hurt" the most was the supersonic crack.
I make sure I wear hearing protection when at the range, I've been considering using both plugs and muffs for rifle shooting.
ETA: I'm sure the time I spend around machinery is worse for my ears over the long run due to prolonged exposure.
MSC 45ACP
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Machinery noises over long periods of time are bad news. The machinery that makes the 76mm cannon go "boom" is pretty loud, too. I used to work on that with little or no hearing protection because sometimes we needed to "hear" if there was a problem in certain components. I'm paying for it now... or should I say the VA is. They gave me the hearing aids I'm supposed to be wearing.
Machinery noises over long periods of time are bad news. The machinery that makes the 76mm cannon go "boom" is pretty loud, too. I used to work on that with little or no hearing protection because sometimes we needed to "hear" if there was a problem in certain components. I'm paying for it now... or should I say the VA is. They gave me the hearing aids I'm supposed to be wearing.
useful_idiot
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gis wrote:
The H&K USP Tactical is designed with front and rear sights that exceed the height of the designated suppressors. The elevated sights come standard in plain black, but are available in night site configuration from H&K.
:dude:
ETA: Open Carry of a suppressed firearm is a bad idea (unwieldy, heavy & LEO magnet).
gis wrote:
The H&K USP Tactical is designed with front and rear sights that exceed the height of the designated suppressors. The elevated sights come standard in plain black, but are available in night site configuration from H&K.
:dude:
ETA: Open Carry of a suppressed firearm is a bad idea (unwieldy, heavy & LEO magnet).
Infidel
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MSC 45ACP wrote:
MSC 45ACP wrote:
Yes I too can attest to the concussion of the .50 caliber Ma 2. They are a blast, I would love to shoot again! Don't care for lugging it around though. And it would be outrageous to shoot with ammo prices now.