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    Well I am new to the world of OC. I spent way too many years falling for the BS we call our news services. I never realized how good we gun owners have it in VA. I used to think Texas had it best, NOT. So to get to the point, and myquestion:



    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?




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    Darroll wrote:
    Well I am new to the world of OC. I spent way too many years falling for the BS we call our news services. I never realized how good we gun owners have it in VA. I used to think Texas had it best, NOT. So to get to the point, and myquestion:



    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?




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    I hear Indiana is pretty good, they have the option of getting a lifetime concealed carry permit that obviously never expires. Higher fee to get it, but worth it IMO.

    I think AZ is pretty good as well.

    However, I'd have to say legality aside, I'd say that OC is generally accepted more in VA than elsewhere.

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    Vermont - no permits needed for carrying anything!
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    gutshot wrote:
    Darroll wrote:
    Well I am new to the world of OC. I spent way too many years falling for the BS we call our news services. I never realized how good we gun owners have it in VA. I used to think Texas had it best, NOT. So to get to the point, and myquestion:



    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?




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    Va. is pretty good, but KY is better.
    Please elaborate.

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    Darroll wrote:
    gutshot wrote:
    Darroll wrote:
    Well I am new to the world of OC. I spent way too many years falling for the BS we call our news services. I never realized how good we gun owners have it in VA. I used to think Texas had it best, NOT. So to get to the point, and myquestion:



    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?




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    Va. is pretty good, but KY is better.
    Please elaborate.

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    Kentucky is a great state for OC and CC. Based on my experience in both, OC is about the same in KY and VA. I think that CC is better because you don't have the silly ABC restaurant ban and the multitude of private property no-carry signs.

    My top choice based on experience is Nevada.

    I have a vacation home there. I open carry all the time in the Reno/Tahoe as well as Las Vegas area. Both OC and CC are great because the only prohibitions are airport buildings, PUBLIC buildings with signs or metal detectors (typically courts, some police stations), and PUBLIC education buildings (schools, colleges) unless you have permission. Their philosophy is opposite of VA on no-carry places, but you can carry on all private property and not worry about those pesky signs. Feel free to carry in bars, restaurants, stadiums, casinos, movie theaters, etc. They can still ask you to leave but never do, especially if you are CC, but there is no provision for posting of private property. One common courtesy is to conceal in a casino. Casino owners don't mind guns, but appreciate when you don't scare the California sheep away. Nevada is doing a lot of reciprocity agreements now, but before you had to get their permit for CC, which was the main criticism of the occasional visitors. I have always had their CC permit and still continue renewing it, even though I don't have to any more due to reciprocity.

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    Darroll wrote:
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    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?
    Alaska !

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Darroll wrote:
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    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?
    Alaska !

    Yata hey
    Montana!

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    gis wrote:
    Darroll wrote:
    gutshot wrote:
    Va. is pretty good, but KY is better.
    Please elaborate.
    Kentucky is a great state for OC and CC. Based on my experience in both, OC is about the same in KY and VA. I think that CC is better because you don't have the silly ABC restaurant ban and the multitude of private property no-carry signs.
    http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm

    A concealed firearm or other deadly weapon SHALL NOT be carried in the following places: Snipped to reflect those places which are legal in Va.

    • Police station or sheriff's office. In Va. OK in non-secure areas.
    • County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings.
    • Meeting of governing body of a county, municipality, or special district.
    • General Assembly session, including committee meetings.
    • Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose. OC only OK in Va..
    • Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home.
    In addition to the above restrictions, units of state and local governments and postsecondary education facilities (colleges, universities, technical schools and community colleges) have the authority to limit the carrying of concealed weapons on property owned or controlled by them (KRS 237.115).
    Va. depts (state library, motor vehicle etc) cannot restrict and colleges cannot forbid carry by non-students and staff (with 2 possible exceptions).

    Bottom line - don't think Kentucky is necessarily better. Different but not better.

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    gis wrote:
    I have a vacation home there. I open carry all the time in the Reno/Tahoe as well as Las Vegas area. Nevada is doing a lot of reciprocity agreements now, but before you had to get their permit for CC, which was the main criticism of the occasional visitors. I have always had their CC permit and still continue renewing it, even though I don't have to any more due to reciprocity.
    I visit family in NV a lot (Reno/Virginia City area), but unless you know something I don't, Virginia's CCW is NOT honored by NV, so you better continue renewing ours if you want to CC in NV!



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    Darroll wrote:
    Well I am new to the world of OC. I spent way too many years falling for the BS we call our news services. I never realized how good we gun owners have it in VA. I used to think Texas had it best, NOT. So to get to the point, and myquestion:

    Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?


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    I'm not a big fan of "mine is bigger" type of discussions, but NH has

    1.Pistol and Revolver (CCW) License $10 for 4 years. No training, no fingerprints, no bull@#$%, and it must be approved or denied in 14 days. Legal remedies against CLEO who wrongfully denies a License.

    2.Prohibited places: courthouses. End of story. Not bars, not restaraunts, not churches, not public gatherings/transit, not polling places, not airports, etc.

    3. Full firearms pre-emption at the State level.

    4. OC is recognized as a Right, and State AG published opinion on legality of OC, stating a "...citizen's 'annoyance and alarm' does not override the Right to carry openly."

    May not be the best in the Nation, but that's hard to beat.

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    ScottNH wrote:
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    1.Pistol and Revolver (CCW) License $10 for 4 years. No training, no fingerprints, no bull@#$%, and it must be approved or denied in 14 days. Legal remedies against CLEO who wrongfully denies a License.
    Effective July 1, 2009, the fee for Non-Resident Applications increases from $20.00 to $100.00.
    http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/n...ing/plupr.html

    It seems that processing is taking as long as three months - apparently they are overloaded. Have heard/seen the same response on other forums.
    http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu....php?p=1027019

    And as a little bit of surprise info:
    "New Hampshire doesn’t require you to have a license or a permit to buy or own guns, with one exception: if you buy a handgun (not a rifle or shotgun) from a private party — as opposed to a licensed dealer — then by state law (RSA 159:10 and RSA 159:14) you must either have a License to Carry or be “personally known” to the seller."
    http://freestateblogs.net/nhgunfaq

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    I heard that New York is pretty good...

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    Hendu024 wrote:
    I heard that New York is pretty good...
    LOLROF - please give beverage warning next time.

    See below for Hizoner Bloomie's apparent opinion of citizen's RKBA.

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
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    I have a vacation home there. I open carry all the time in the Reno/Tahoe as well as Las Vegas area. Nevada is doing a lot of reciprocity agreements now, but before you had to get their permit for CC, which was the main criticism of the occasional visitors. I have always had their CC permit and still continue renewing it, even though I don't have to any more due to reciprocity.
    I visit family in NV a lot (Reno/Virginia City area), but unless you know something I don't, Virginia's CCW is NOT honored by NV, so you better continue renewing ours if you want to CC in NV!


    Sorry, I forgot to mention that I have a Michigan CPL, and it is one of those that Nevada honors for the past 2-3 years.


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    Nevada is doing a lot of reciprocity agreements now
    Unfortunately they just killed the agreements with Utah and Florida, which many of us have.

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    I think Pennsylvania rivals Virginia. A lot of the laws are similar, but I think PA might be in front of VA by a nose; as far as the laws themselves.

    PA is better in that:
    • CC is permitted in restaurants that serve alcohol; PA has bars, too, and they're not off-limits for CC either. I don't think there is a law in PA that forbids the carrying a concealed firearm while under the influence of alcohol either.
    • No NFA weapons are forbidden. AFAIK, you can own a Striker 12 and machine guns do not have to be registered.
    • PA actually has a law against firearm registration: 18 PA.C.S. § 6111.4
    • You may purchase more than one handgun at any time.
    • There's not even a law regarding carry in places of worship in PA. VA law basically says that you must have a good reason to carry in places of worship.
    • PA LTCF is not required for high-capacity magazines; whereas VA requires CHP to carry firearms loaded with high-capacity magazines in certain places.
    • PA LTCF issuance does not require firearms training certification. VA requires the completion of basic firearms safety training before issuance of a CHP.
    • PA LTCF is issued by a county Sheriff or police chief, so they are not automatically part of the public record. Since VA applications for CHP go through the Clerk of the Circuit Court, they are automatically part of the public record.
    • Maybe more...
    VA is better in that:
    • Private sales of handguns are allowed. Only long-guns may be sold privately in PA.
    • PA requires LTCF in cities of the first class (Philadelphia). VA has no such requirement; open carry without a permit/license is allowed in any city or town.
    • You may openly carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle without a permit/license. In PA you must have a permit/license to carry a loaded firearm in any vehicle.
    • VA non-resident CHPs are handled by the VSP. In PA, non-residents can apply to any county, though some counties refuse to issue to non-residents.
    • There's a river and a bay between VA and MD with limited bridges and only one ferry on the Potomac. PA and MD are only separated by an imaginary line. VA is also further from Baltimore than PA.
    • Maybe more... I'll update the list if I think of any more.

    As far as practical carry of firearms openly or concealed, Virginia is better. There are, just based on my personal observations, more residents of Virginia that are aware of the firearm-related laws and are accepting of them than there are in Pennsylvania. (resident includes LEO).


    West Virginia is another state whose laws are very similar to Virginia and Pennsylvania, however they have those pesky grandfathered city ordinances.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    ScottNH wrote:
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    1.Pistol and Revolver (CCW) License $10 for 4 years. No training, no fingerprints, no bull@#$%, and it must be approved or denied in 14 days. Legal remedies against CLEO who wrongfully denies a License.
    Effective July 1, 2009, the fee for Non-Resident Applications increases from $20.00 to $100.00.
    http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/n...ing/plupr.html

    It seems that processing is taking as long as three months - apparently they are overloaded. Have heard/seen the same response on other forums.
    http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu....php?p=1027019

    And as a little bit of surprise info:
    "New Hampshire doesn’t require you to have a license or a permit to buy or own guns, with one exception: if you buy a handgun (not a rifle or shotgun) from a private party — as opposed to a licensed dealer — then by state law (RSA 159:10 and RSA 159:14) you must either have a License to Carry or be “personally known” to the seller."
    http://freestateblogs.net/nhgunfaq

    Yata hey

    Wrong citation. The resident license is still only $10, and processing must be complete within 14 days. Why would I care about the non-resident fee or processing time? Neither affect me, and the question was about "good" state gun laws. Do the non-resident VA requirements keep you awake at night, or affect you in any way? It's all about how hard it is to get a resident license, as well as the limitations upon same.

    As to the private sale, there is no statutory definition of "personally known to the seller," which means this transaction is perfectly within the law:

    ScottNH: Hi, my name's ScottNH

    GrapehotNH: Hi, I'm GrapeshotNH. Here. Have money.

    ScottNH: Pleased to meet you GrapshotNH. Here. Havegun.

    Not particularly onerous.

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    In Virginia you can open carry in a vehicle without a permit. Kind of a bummer that you absolutely need a permit to carry in a vehicle in New Hampshire, even if it is OC.

    What's the point of the Yabba Dabba Doo on the end of your post, ScottNH?

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    ScottNH wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    ScottNH wrote:
    snip....
    1.Pistol and Revolver (CCW) License $10 for 4 years. No training, no fingerprints, no bull@#$%, and it must be approved or denied in 14 days. Legal remedies against CLEO who wrongfully denies a License.
    Effective July 1, 2009, the fee for Non-Resident Applications increases from $20.00 to $100.00.
    http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/n...ing/plupr.html

    It seems that processing is taking as long as three months - apparently they are overloaded. Have heard/seen the same response on other forums.
    http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu....php?p=1027019

    And as a little bit of surprise info:
    "New Hampshire doesn’t require you to have a license or a permit to buy or own guns, with one exception: if you buy a handgun (not a rifle or shotgun) from a private party — as opposed to a licensed dealer — then by state law (RSA 159:10 and RSA 159:14) you must either have a License to Carry or be “personally known” to the seller."
    http://freestateblogs.net/nhgunfaq

    Yata hey
    Wrong citation. The resident license is still only $10, and processing must be complete within 14 days. Why would I care about the non-resident fee or processing time? Neither affect me, and the question was about "good" state gun laws. Do the non-resident VA requirements keep you awake at night, or affect you in any way? It's all about how hard it is to get a resident license, as well as the limitations upon same.

    As to the private sale, there is no statutory definition of "personally known to the seller," which means this transaction is perfectly within the law:

    ScottNH: Hi, my name's ScottNH

    GrapehotNH: Hi, I'm GrapeshotNH. Here. Have money.

    ScottNH: Pleased to meet you GrapshotNH. Here. Havegun.

    Not particularly onerous.

    Yabba Dabba Doo
    I guess your thinking is OK for you if you never travel outside the borders of your state. Incidentally, your profile does not show your home state.

    There are those of us that travel multiple states and wish to do so legally so non-resident licenses/laws are of great interest to us.

    Sorry that my interest in non-resident permits seems to trouble you - wasn't my intent. Doesn't appear to be so restricted by the OP either.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    ScottNH wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    ScottNH wrote:
    snip....
    1.Pistol and Revolver (CCW) License $10 for 4 years. No training, no fingerprints, no bull@#$%, and it must be approved or denied in 14 days. Legal remedies against CLEO who wrongfully denies a License.
    Effective July 1, 2009, the fee for Non-Resident Applications increases from $20.00 to $100.00.
    http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/n...ing/plupr.html

    It seems that processing is taking as long as three months - apparently they are overloaded. Have heard/seen the same response on other forums.
    http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbu....php?p=1027019

    And as a little bit of surprise info:
    "New Hampshire doesn’t require you to have a license or a permit to buy or own guns, with one exception: if you buy a handgun (not a rifle or shotgun) from a private party — as opposed to a licensed dealer — then by state law (RSA 159:10 and RSA 159:14) you must either have a License to Carry or be “personally known” to the seller."
    http://freestateblogs.net/nhgunfaq

    Yata hey
    Wrong citation. The resident license is still only $10, and processing must be complete within 14 days. Why would I care about the non-resident fee or processing time? Neither affect me, and the question was about "good" state gun laws. Do the non-resident VA requirements keep you awake at night, or affect you in any way? It's all about how hard it is to get a resident license, as well as the limitations upon same.

    As to the private sale, there is no statutory definition of "personally known to the seller," which means this transaction is perfectly within the law:

    ScottNH: Hi, my name's ScottNH

    GrapehotNH: Hi, I'm GrapeshotNH. Here. Have money.

    ScottNH: Pleased to meet you GrapshotNH. Here. Havegun.

    Not particularly onerous.

    Yabba Dabba Doo
    I guess your thinking is OK for you if you never travel outside the borders of your state. Incidentally, your profile does not show your home state.

    There are those of us that travel multiple states and wish to do so legally so non-resident licenses/laws are of great interest to us.

    Sorry that my interest in non-resident permits seems to trouble you - wasn't my intent. Doesn't appear to be so restricted by the OP either.

    Yata hey
    OP question was:" Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?" Resident license costs and processing time directly speak to the question, but how could non-resident costs or processing time possibly figure into it?

    Sorry about the profile gaff. Here I thought the "NH" of my user name was a give-away. Too subtle. Corrected.

    Yabba Dabba Doo

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    curtiswr wrote:
    In Virginia you can open carry in a vehicle without a permit. Kind of a bummer that you absolutely need a permit to carry in a vehicle in New Hampshire, even if it is OC.

    What's the point of the Yabba Dabba Doo on the end of your post, ScottNH?
    You're right about the license requirement to carry (loaded) in a vehicle. I'm not sure if it's a hold-over from anti-poaching regs or what, but it certainly stands out asa strange anomaly. It's one of the few potential "gotcha's" that can trap the unwary.

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    ScottNH wrote:
    OP question was:" Who has better laws reguarding OC or even CC than we in VA?" Resident license costs and processing time directly speak to the question, but how could non-resident costs or processing time possibly figure into it?

    Sorry about the profile gaff. Here I thought the "NH" of my user name was a give-away. Too subtle. Corrected.

    Yabba Dabba Doo
    Gee whiz, golly, my mistake.

    Here all along I thought that non-resident licenses, the cost and time thereof as well as the particulars of CC and OC were part of the laws there and might be of interest to other posters.

    Did not realize that we were being restricted to only our home state and not ones to which we might travel.

    Sure glad you set me straight. :shock:

    Nah, reread the OP and I'll stand by all of my previous comments.

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    virginiatuck wrote:
    I think Pennsylvania rivals Virginia. A lot of the laws are similar, but I think PA might be in front of VA by a nose; as far as the laws themselves.
    Problem is, PA does not have full pre-emption because of Philly. The rules are different there which makes me hesitant to OC anywhere in SE PA, say further east than Lancaster because I don't know where the line for the unfree zone is.

    These days, now that I have a VA license it is less of an issue but I still worry about Philly.

    Pa is pretty good though. I can eat in a good restaurant either OC or CC.

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