How Town Hall Meetings Should Go...

swatspyder · Aug 23, 2009

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Listen to what he says.....

[flash=320,256]http://www.youtube.com/v/_rRE5UK6NQU&hl=en&fs=1&[/flash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRE5UK6NQU

"THEY are going to LET us keep our health care plan." Well shouldn't it already be and always be, OUR CHOICE!????

sudden valley gunner · Aug 23, 2009

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All politicians need their feet held to the fire like that. Can we get that guy to talk to congress?

I found it amusing that the politicians wife was clapping, even though he decided to walk out.

DonTreadOnMe · Aug 23, 2009

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Patriots are rising...

SouthernBoy · Aug 23, 2009

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God bless this Marine!! I does my heart so good to hear Americans doing this. Standing up to their employees and telling them basically where to get off.

skidmark · Aug 23, 2009

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"I intend to keep my oath. Do you ever intend to keep yours?"

That's just like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Of course the congresscritter deserved to have the question phrased that way.

Seems more and more the message is changing from "We do not like your version of how tosolve the health care issue" to "This is just one more area where we want you to get out of our lives." I'm really looking forward to Congress returning from theirAugust recess. Gun control health care, the budget are all subjects where congresscritters are hearing that the voters are pretty much on the other side about what to do.

Now all we have to do is keep the voters reminded what they were upset about and why they were upset till the next election. One thing about OCing in the current political climate is that it is no longer "merely" a 2A issue - it seems to be catching on as a symbol/meme for opposition to socialism.

stay safe.

skidmark

SouthernBoy · Aug 23, 2009

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skidmark wrote:

"I intend to keep my oath. Do you ever intend to keep yours?"

That's just like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Of course the congresscritter deserved to have the question phrased that way.

Seems more and more the message is changing from "We do not like your version of how tosolve the health care issue" to "This is just one more area where we want you to get out of our lives." I'm really looking forward to Congress returning from theirAugust recess. Gun control health care, the budget are all subjects where congresscritters are hearing that the voters are pretty much on the other side about what to do.

Now all we have to do is keep the voters reminded what they were upset about and why they were upset till the next election. One thing about OCing in the current political climate is that it is no longer "merely" a 2A issue - it seems to be catching on as a symbol/meme for opposition to socialism.

stay safe.

skidmark

:exclaim:

Yes sir.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 23, 2009

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skidmark wrote:

"I intend to keep my oath. Do you ever intend to keep yours?"

That's just like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Of course the congresscritter deserved to have the question phrased that way.

Simply state 'I never started'. He could probably answer that to both those questions.

The Donkey · Aug 24, 2009

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Comparing democratic leaders to brownshirts is just as stupid as comparing the teapartiers. It betrays complete ignorance of the criminality of the Nazi movement and is insulting to all those who fought against it and were victimized by it.

We should not be celebrating demagoguery on any side of this debate.

Repeater · Aug 24, 2009

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sudden valley gunner wrote:

All politicians need their feet held to the fire like that. Can we get that guy to talk to congress?

I found it amusing that the politicians wife was clapping, even though he decided to walk out.

You're on to something. Check out Jesse Kelly:

Jesse Kelly Web site is here.

His 2A statement:

Second Amendment

The Second Amendment of the Constitution is not just about hunting. It is about the right of a free people to defend themselves which is why I am a strong supporter of the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

DonTreadOnMe · Aug 24, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

Comparing democratic leaders to brownshirts is just as stupid as comparing the teapartiers. It betrays complete ignorance of the criminality of the Nazi movement and is insulting to all those who fought against it and were victimized by it.

We should not be celebrating demagoguery on any side of this debate.

Fighting threats to the constitution domestically, takes nothing away from those that did so abroad!

The Nazi movement was form of socialism...what do we face now? Another form of socialism. If you don't like the truth of it being spoken, if you just want to be an Obama apologist, too bad. To many of us have not spoken up, We are done holding out tongues.

The simple truth is socialism is a direct threat to this country and the constitution. Those that speak, march, fight against socialism are patriots! Those that support it socialism are anything but...

“… we shall all consider ourselves unauthorizedto saddle posterity with our debts, and morally bound to pay them ourselves; and consequently within what may be deemed the period of a generation, or the life [expectancy] of the majority.”, wisdom of Thomas Jefferson

"The Utopian schemes of leveling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government unconstitutional. Now what property can the colonists be conceived to have, if their money may be granted away by others, without their consent?", wisdom of Samuel Adams

Socialism is both unconstitutional and threat to this republics basic survival.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
(Looking at that link should make anyone with any love for this country figthing mad at what has been done to it by socialism)

The man in the video both speaks the truth and continues to honor his oath! It is one of the things that gives me hope is to see more and more people like him speaking up and refusing to be quieted by Obama/Socialist Apologiests.

RESIST SOCIALISM! This nation had fought great wars aginst threats foren, now we face perhaps as great a one as ever, but tha threat is domestic.

We need more people open carrying to protests, more people that have been quite, but are no more! If your mad as hell at that these socolist bums are doing, it is time to speak up! Dont let the likes MSNBC and the Donkey cause you to hold back, speak out!

Ok, I feel a little better now!

DonTreadOnMe · Aug 24, 2009

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Repeater wrote:

You're on to something. Check out Jesse Kelly:

Jesse Kelly Web site is here.

His 2A statement:

Second Amendment

The Second Amendment of the Constitution is not just about hunting. It is about the right of a free people to defend themselves which is why I am a strong supporter of the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

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If he as good as his "on the issues" statements, I would vote for him, and be ready to vote him out again if he does not live up to it.

We need to learn to be in the habit of tossing the bums out when they spend our money with abandon, trash our rights and ignore the Constitution.

....and he should win, after all he would be replacing someone supported Obama's raping the future stimulus bill.

We can only hope that the anger and concern that is rising in this country in what is going on within government will put more decent people in office.

PrayingForWar · Aug 25, 2009

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

Comparing democratic leaders to brownshirts is just as stupid as comparing the teapartiers. It betrays complete ignorance of the criminality of the Nazi movement and is insulting to all those who fought against it and were victimized by it.

We should not be celebrating demagoguery on any side of this debate.

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Fighting threats to the constitution domestically, takes nothing away from those that did so abroad!

The Nazi movement was form of socialism...what do we face now? Another form of socialism. If you don't like the truth of it being spoken, if you just want to be an Obama apologist, too bad. To many of us have not spoken up, We are done holding out tongues.

The simple truth is socialism is a direct threat to this country and the constitution. Those that speak, march, fight against socialism are patriots! Those that support it socialism are anything but...

“… we shall all consider ourselves unauthorizedto saddle posterity with our debts, and morally bound to pay them ourselves; and consequently within what may be deemed the period of a generation, or the life [expectancy] of the majority.”, wisdom of Thomas Jefferson

"The Utopian schemes of leveling, and a community of goods, are as visionary and impracticable, as those which vest all property in the Crown, are arbitrary, despotic, and in our government unconstitutional. Now what property can the colonists be conceived to have, if their money may be granted away by others, without their consent?", wisdom of Samuel Adams

Socialism is both unconstitutional and threat to this republics basic survival.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
(Looking at that link should make anyone with any love for this country figthing mad at what has been done to it by socialism)

The man in the video both speaks the truth and continues to honor his oath! It is one of the things that gives me hope is to see more and more people like him speaking up and refusing to be quieted by Obama/Socialist Apologiests.

RESIST SOCIALISM! This nation had fought great wars aginst threats foren, now we face perhaps as great a one as ever, but tha threat is domestic.

We need more people open carrying to protests, more people that have been quite, but are no more! If your mad as hell at that these socolist bums are doing, it is time to speak up! Dont let the likes MSNBC and the Donkey cause you to hold back, speak out!

Ok, I feel a little better now!

+1 Don't tread!!!

Bed wetters like the dinkey were calling conservatives nazis for years. Then as it became common knowledge that libtards were actually similar in philosophy they started whining about "Godwin's Law". They're in full retreat, even attempting to recall the old "progressive" label. People just need to be reminded that the "progressive" movement was the very same one which spawned italian fascism and nazism.

There's nothing "progressive" about it either. Their asinine policies have been tried countless times and failed. It should be called the REGRESSIVE movement.

The Donkey · Aug 25, 2009

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The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 25, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

...and what is the danger in seeing every "beneficial" government program as good for us?

You might have a point if this reform wouldn't cost tax dollars and was true reform, of maybe limiting tort lawsuits that really don't benefit nobody but Lawyers. Also if the government didn't have a long history of abuse of power once we allow them to have it. Think about the National Firearms Act, Marijuana tax stamp act, etc. all ways they circumvented the constitution. How about the 16th amendment, if you told the U.S. population how large the IRS would get and powers that would be granted to them they would have allowed that amendment to be put in place?
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PrayingForWar · Aug 25, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

The Nazis attacked communists because they were in competition for the support of people inclined to backMarxist policies. Not because they abhorred the idea of controlling everything. They beat and eliminated anyone who openly dissented. The commies and other socialist groups had their own leadership and structure, but differences in policies were limited. Read the 35 tenets of National Socialism yourself, they aren't too far removed from the DNC incidentally. Gun Control and socialized medicine already existed,and hitler certainly did nothing but expand on them.

Nazism, fascism, socialism, "progressivism" are varying degrees of marxist philosophy. All of them are based on at least strict regulation if not total government control of industries and labor. They all promote massive government control on behavior, they all eliminate upward social movement, under the guise of making classes equal. They all stifle or reduce the individual's ability to enhance his own standard of living. They all limit or outright deny private property, and they all severly limited or totally banned private gun ownership. Just like most of thebed wetters(including the moonbat messiah) openly promote restrictions, registration schemes, stiff taxes, and complete bans.

Furthermore, if I wanted smoke blown up my a$$, I'd go to San Fransicko with a box of cigars. I've heard your moonbat messiah say, in his own words, without a teleprompter, he wanted a single payer system like those found in euroweenie countries. Don't try to BS me. Obozo stands for NOTHING CLOSE to the philosophies of Jefferson or Adams. He's surrounded himself with bitter authortarians and leftist radicals. Obozo isn't promoting "creeping extremism", he's attempting to undo the fabric of our society and turn us into a european 3rd world $h!thole. I just wish he'd take his dumba$$ (and all his mindless minions like AWDstylez and the dinkey) to Zimbabwe, his work is already done there.

DonTreadOnMe · Aug 25, 2009

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PrayingForWar wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

Click to expand...

The Nazis attacked communists because they were in competition for the support of people inclined to backMarxist policies. Not because they abhorred the idea of controlling everything. They beat and eliminated anyone who openly dissented. The commies and other socialist groups had their own leadership and structure, but differences in policies were limited. Read the 35 tenets of National Socialism yourself, they aren't too far removed from the DNC incidentally. Gun Control and socialized medicine already existed,and hitler certainly did nothing but expand on them.

Nazism, fascism, socialism, "progressivism" are varying degrees of marxist philosophy. All of them are based on at least strict regulation if not total government control of industries and labor. They all promote massive government control on behavior, they all eliminate upward social movement, under the guise of making classes equal. They all stifle or reduce the individual's ability to enhance his own standard of living. They all limit or outright deny private property, and they all severly limited or totally banned private gun ownership. Just like most of thebed wetters (including the moonbat messiah) openly promote restrictions, registration schemes, stiff taxes, and complete bans.

Furthermore, if I wanted smoke blown up my a$$, I'd go to San Fransicko with a box of cigars. I've heard your moonbat messiah say, in his own words, without a teleprompter, he wanted a single payer system like those found in euroweenie countries. Don't try to BS me. Obozo stands for NOTHING CLOSE to the philosophies of Jefferson or Adams. He's surrounded himself with bitter authortarians and leftist radicals. Obozo isn't promoting "creeping extremism", he's attempting to undo the fabric of our society and turn us into a european 3rd world $h!thole. I just wish he'd take his dumba$$ (and all his mindless minions like AWDstylez and the dinkey) to Zimbabwe, his work is already done there.

+1 and amen!

Phssthpok · Aug 25, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

I've had this concept bouncing around in my head for a while now, but could never quite articulate it to my own satisfaction, so I just jotted down the super-mega-ultra-condensed cliffs notes version. I think the concept is clear enough though.

Government programs, peoples fears, and the end results.

Program: Income tax
Government: "TAX THE RICH!"
People: "Slippery slope...soon you'll be taxing everyone!"
Government "Oh, pooh! It's ONLY .5% levied on incomes over X amount which is only made by the top 1% of the rich. Quitcher fearmongering."
End result: You tell me.

Program: Social Security
Govt: "Guaranteed retirement money!"
People: "National ID number..mark of the beast!"
Govt: "Oh, pshaw!! Quitcher fearmongering."
End result:You tell me.

Program: Welfare (in all it's various forms)
Govt: "Safety net!"
People: "Hammock for lazies!"
Govt: "Nonsense...Quitcher fearmongering."
End result: You tell me.

Program: Healthcare (finance) reform
Govt: "Universal coverage! Healthcare for all!"
People: Higher costs. Rationing. Forced joining"
Govt: "Myths.....Quitcher fearmongering."
End result: GUESS!!

The Donkey · Aug 25, 2009

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I disagree, but kudos on a well articulated argument.

sudden valley gunner · Aug 25, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

I disagree, but kudos on a well articulated argument.

What program does the government run well and have kept its promises on?

PrayingForWar · Aug 25, 2009

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sudden valley gunner wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

I disagree, but kudos on a well articulated argument.

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What program does the government run well and have kept its promises on?

The prison system?

Of course I would atribute any success there to the people who work there. If they don't secure those sociopaths, they are beaten or killed. Perhaps all bureaucrats should be beaten or killed for failure. Imagine efficiency in government then!!!

Problem solved, it just needs to be implimented.:celebrate

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