How Town Hall Meetings Should Go...

The Donkey · Aug 25, 2009

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sudden valley gunner wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

I disagree, but kudos on a well articulated argument.

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What program does the government run well and have kept its promises on?

I think that the military is run well and that it keeps its promises.

I think that the VA runs a socialized medicine program that generally speaking keeps its promises to our veterans.

In fact, I think that Medicare has generally kept its promises to the elderly.

I could go on . . .

None of these programs are perfect, but many government programs have done a better job of providing servicesin areliable, cost effective manner than many private medical insurers do.

I have spent part of my career fighting against insuranceplans that interpret themselves as not providing coverage for this or that medical need -- interpreting every ambiguity in their own favor.

The core of the bills under consideration would imposemandates for certain types of coverage in all private plans, so people don't have to hire folks like me to fight for these types of basic coverage. The pols on both sides of the aisle seem to agree that this is a good idea, and I support it.

PrayingForWar · Aug 25, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

sudden valley gunner wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

I disagree, but kudos on a well articulated argument.

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What program does the government run well and have kept its promises on?

I think that the military is run well and that it keeps its promises.

It's run well because of the people inside, inspite of the interference from politicians.

I think that the VA runs a socialized medicine program that generally speaking keeps its promises to our veterans.

I am a vet, I think it sucks. I prefer to pay for my own care.

In fact, I think that Medicare has generally kept its promises to the elderly.

Was it supposed to go bankrupt? That would imply that it's not "run well".

I could go on . . .

Please do dinkey, I'd love to see more asinine examples of how efficient gov't is, and why we should turn over even more of our own responsibilities to an entity that can't even keep bridges from falling down, can't secure the border, can't manage a delivery service, can't manage money on any level, and can't even be held accoutable for it's failures. Please, we are dying too know!!! The only thing you haven't advocated yet is voluntary disarmament, but I suppose you're waiting for your ACORN talking points.

None of these programs are perfect, but many government programs have done a better job of providing servicesin areliable, cost effective manner than many private medical insurers do.

I have spent part of my career fighting against insuranceplans that interpret themselves as not providing coverage for this or that medical need -- interpreting every ambiguity in their own favor.

The core of the bills under consideration would imposemandates for certain types of coverage in all private plans, so people don't have to hire folks like me to fight for these types of basic coverage. The pols on both sides of the aisle seem to agree that this is a good idea, and I support it.

Very little the government does is even within it's constitutional duties. The things which it is supposed to do, like secure the border, is a miserable failure. The military is run better than any other in the world. I regularly see the militaries of several NATO countries. The Russians could take europe in 20 minutes if we left. Their militaries are a disaster. Ours is better, but no where near as good as it was 20 years ago when liberals pushed their social agenda and pussified it. Now instead of leadership courses, and enhanced skill sets, NCO's are promoted on education that has little if anything to do with their MOS, or their ability to lead. Minorities are promoted, based only on that. Some minorities are passed over for promotion by other minorities because they "ain't down". Liberal social engineers have screwed up the military as far as I'm concerned. Of course liberals have screwed up everything they touched.

ixtow · Aug 27, 2009

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DonTreadOnMe wrote:

PrayingForWar wrote:

The Donkey wrote:

The Freicorps and the fascists started Nazism. The Nazis beat and then eliminated their socialist and communist competition.

Obama would stand against the same things that T. Jefferson and S. Adams preached against above. But both of these supported taxation for the public good through the democratic process. Obama supports a revenue neutral health care reform that augments -- and does not replace -- the free market for health insurance.

One problem with seeing every reformas some form of creeping extremism is that it turns you into creeps and extremists.

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The Nazis attacked communists because they were in competition for the support of people inclined to backMarxist policies. Not because they abhorred the idea of controlling everything. They beat and eliminated anyone who openly dissented. The commies and other socialist groups had their own leadership and structure, but differences in policies were limited. Read the 35 tenets of National Socialism yourself, they aren't too far removed from the DNC incidentally. Gun Control and socialized medicine already existed,and hitler certainly did nothing but expand on them.

Nazism, fascism, socialism, "progressivism" are varying degrees of marxist philosophy. All of them are based on at least strict regulation if not total government control of industries and labor. They all promote massive government control on behavior, they all eliminate upward social movement, under the guise of making classes equal. They all stifle or reduce the individual's ability to enhance his own standard of living. They all limit or outright deny private property, and they all severly limited or totally banned private gun ownership. Just like most of thebed wetters (including the moonbat messiah) openly promote restrictions, registration schemes, stiff taxes, and complete bans.

Furthermore, if I wanted smoke blown up my a$$, I'd go to San Fransicko with a box of cigars. I've heard your moonbat messiah say, in his own words, without a teleprompter, he wanted a single payer system like those found in euroweenie countries. Don't try to BS me. Obozo stands for NOTHING CLOSE to the philosophies of Jefferson or Adams. He's surrounded himself with bitter authortarians and leftist radicals. Obozo isn't promoting "creeping extremism", he's attempting to undo the fabric of our society and turn us into a european 3rd world $h!thole. I just wish he'd take his dumba$$ (and all his mindless minions like AWDstylez and the dinkey) to Zimbabwe, his work is already done there.

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+1 and amen!

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KansasMustang · Aug 29, 2009

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The Donkey wrote:

Comparing democratic leaders to brownshirts is just as stupid as comparing the teapartiers. It betrays complete ignorance of the criminality of the Nazi movement and is insulting to all those who fought against it and were victimized by it.

We should not be celebrating demagoguery on any side of this debate.

Again you've missed the point donkey. It's NOT the Dems that have been tagged as "Brown Shirts" but "We the People" have been. It's not the attendees at town hall meetings that were bussed in, but the goons of the Obama support factor. It's not US that started the violence, but the Union thugs. Nancy Pelosi stated that their were people holding "Swastikas" in the town hall meetings yada yada ad ignausium.
YOU need to start payin' more attention to what's goin on. I do admire your stickin to your guns, just wondering if you'll ever see the forest for the trees. And, IF you'll still support this BS when they come for yours,,,guns that is.
MY gawd,,sorry Had to EDIT because I didn't go far enough and read your second, more idiotic post.
1) Name me ONE VA hospital that runs well, and remember Donkey, I'm a veteran so you'd best do research.
2) Medicare and Medicaid are almost, if not already bankrupt and Medicaid has an UNFUNDED 26 TRILLION $ liability.
3) Social in Security is almost bankrupt thanks to the theft by congress and ALL the last several administrations.
Naw I retract my statement above,,you may have tenacity, but you sir are ignorant of the facts.

ixtow · Aug 29, 2009

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KansasMustang wrote:

1) Name me ONE VA hospital that runs well, and remember Donkey, I'm a veteran so you'd best do research.

I've had a word with quite a few veterans about the one I live near. Some people complain about winning $10M in the lottery. But most say it is an exception to the rule.

zack991 · Aug 29, 2009

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There is so much corruption that just voting them out will not fix this, you have to fix the mentality of people. Now with all the extremely liberal supporters out there you have to fight fire with fire, many people who try to fight them cower when they start paying dirty.

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