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    http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=10977230

    200 residents show up for open carry picnic
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    Glenwood City (WQOW) - More than 200 residents showed up for the open carry picnic in Glenwood City on Sunday afternoon.

    The picnic was heldat the Saint Croix County Fairgrounds, inGlenwood City. The picnic was open to the public and was freetoattend. Most of the 200 residents who were at Sunday's picnic were carrying guns.

    Organizers say they held the picnic to celebrate a recent memo from Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen regarding the legality of open carry.

    "My wife andI and our grown daughters organized this as an informational session more than anything else because I just can't believe the number of people, including our legislators and law enforcement, that don't know the laws," said Dave "Ole" Olson, event organizer.

    Also at Sunday's picnic, Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Randy Koschnick, he said he too is concerned not enough leaders know the gun laws.

    "I'm concerned that many of our public officials, including judges, are not respecting the constitution," said Koschnick.

    "If we don't respect the provisions of the constitution, I fear that our society will be changed dramatically, perhaps forever, and I wanted to alert people to that issue and encourage them to get involved in judicial races and other political races, identify candidates that share their values and support those candidates," said Michael Nelson, who attended the picnic.

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    Wow! 200 people and most were OC'n?...These events are getting bigger and bigger and more & more people are attending,maybe there is still hope for our state afterall.
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    Congratulations everyone! well done!

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    It was a good time and yes I would say 90% were carrying. What's weird is no one got hurt. I saw a few MN folk I have met before and met a couple Wisconsinites, a very sweet German Shepard and had some good conversation. After leaving I stopped at the Hudson Gun Club for some personal time with my Kimber and Colt Trooper. I'm starting to like that Colt a bunch.

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    Any pictures or videos???

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    A Circuit Court Judge showed up, no less! :what:Way to go, "Ole" and Glenwood City. Was the His Honor packing, too?

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    Not open, the judge was one of the few who was unarmed.

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    http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-...id=BKVGE1UT0J4

    Glenwood City hosts open-carry picnic





    By Andrew Dowd

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    GLENWOOD CITY - The beanbag toss and corn on the cob were as well received as the "guess the bullet" game and a display of Wisconsin firearms laws during a Sunday picnic at the St. Croix County Fairground.

    Organizer Dave "Ole" Olson said crowd estimates were conservatively at about 350 for the "Open Carry Picnic" - a mix of a typical outdoor barbecue and gun enthusiast rally.

    Spending well beyond his $2,000 budget and hoping to get some of that back from goodwill donations, Olson said he wanted to hold the event as a way to educate the public and gun owners about their rights.

    "Believe it or not, there's a lot of gun owners who don't know the laws," he said.

    UW-River Falls student and Ellsworth native Michael Morris, 21, admits he was one of those owners who didn't know all the permissions of Wisconsin's gun laws.

    "I didn't even know we could carry until I came here," he said at the picnic.

    He wore a holstered Heckler and Koch USP .40-caliber handgun, and his sister, Lauren, 19, attended the picnic with a .44-caliber Magnum revolver on her hip.

    "It's important to make people more aware," said Lauren Morris, also a UW-River Falls student.

    The two said some of Wisconsin's laws pose inconveniences to gun owners, namely how guns must remain unloaded and apart from ammunition while in a vehicle.

    To educate gun owners about state gun laws, a three-sided display with copies of firearms laws was placed in the center of the picnic. It drew people who read and debated the polices.

    One of Olson's bones of contention with state law is that it doesn't allow handguns in businesses that serve alcohol. He said he supports laws that prosecute people for using guns while intoxicated, but feels responsible, sober people should be able to carry sidearms in restaurants and taverns. He also advocates for allowing adults to carry guns in schools.

    Olson required all attendees to keep their guns holstered. Only those 18 and older could bring sidearms, no rifles or shotguns were allowed, and there was no alcohol allowed at the fairground.

    Olson said he hosted the picnic with friends and family, but he didn't receive help an organization. A table at the picnic gave attendees the opportunity to sign a petition that was started by a Virginia-based gun advocacy group, Opencarry.org.

    The petition asks Wisconsin legislators to repeal restrictions on loaded weapons in vehicles and around schools, and to start a concealed-carry license system similar to the one enacted by Minnesota in 2003.

    Olson and other attendees said the picnic was about the rights to bear arms and self-defense.

    "It's my job to protect me and my family," Olson said.

    If people don't exercise their rights and make others aware of them, Lauren Morris said lawmakers will try to infringe on them.

    "Once you start losing constitutional rights, it's only going downhill from there," she said.

    A voluntary guestbook had 324 names on it by 3 p.m., more than halfway through the picnic.

    Those absent from the picnic included several politicians that Olson invited. Uniformed police were not called and did not visit the fairground.

    A similar open-carry event is being scheduled for mid-October in Hudson, Olson said.

    Other open-carry picnics have been held recently in Onalaska and Green Bay.
    Crossing state lines
    The picnic's most distant attendee hailed from Butler, a village near Milwaukee, while several others came from Minnesota.

    Most of those at the picnic wore a gun, but Rick Augustine, 50, of Woodbury, Minn., was one of the few without one.

    He has a concealed-carry permit for Minnesota, allowing him to wear a gun underneath his clothing, but that is illegal in Wisconsin.

    "For me, the bigger issue is the hassle factor," he said of crossing the border between the two states with differing gun laws. "I hope sometime in my lifetime the Wisconsin Legislature will pass permit to carry."

    But Sam Netherly, 60, Afton, Minn., did have his .50-caliber Guncrafter Industries semiautomatic handgun holstered at his side with two extra clips of hollow-point bullets on the opposite hip.

    Every couple of months, Netherly hosts an open-carry breakfast at the Gopher Bar in St. Paul, and he's also organized two picnics at a park near Lake Harriet in Minneapolis.

    Both events attract about 60 gun enthusiasts, Netherly said, some carrying up to four guns each.

    "It's blatantly open-carry," he said.

    Netherly wears his pistol at all times for his safety and for those immediately near him, he said.

    "There are no safe places," he said.

    Netherly said he's never drawn his weapon in a situation he perceived as dangerous, but he's put his hand on the concealed holster on two occasions when he was concerned for his safety. Because criminals in Minnesota now are more likely to accidentally encounter an armed citizen than a peace officer, Netherly said concealed-carry laws act as a deterrent to criminals without the need for violence.

    "Looking down the barrel is enough to make any sensible human being stop," he said. "But if they don't, well, hey."

    Dowd can be reached at 833-9204, or andrew.dowd@ecpc.com.


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    Oops, 3 minutes too late...

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    Scottm, I normally don't stick my 2 cents in but I don't think you should have said it was weird that nobody got hurt, what were you expecting to happen, anti's see that and they will run with it, just my opinion.

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    both the paper and ch 18 (wqow) news weren't quite right... last count we had was actually over 370-some signed in and not all signed in.

    we're guessing attendance was around 400, prolly just over, based on food and sign ins.

    thanks to all who came and helped support the cause!

    we're very happy with the turn out.

    if anyone has pics, video, etc, please, please, please send them to us! we were so busy working and chatting with people we didn't get any.

    feel free to PM me and we can make arrangments!
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    Before this gets out of hand I want to address the following text in the Eau Claire Leader Telegram.



    ---The petition asks Wisconsin legislators to repeal restrictions on loaded weapons in vehicles and around schools, and to start a concealed-carry license system similar to the one enacted by Minnesota in 2003.---



    This is the authors mis-interpretation of the petition. I, as the organizer, didn’t make any statement even remotely aligned with his conclusion.
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    Fireball357 wrote:
    Before this gets out of hand I want to address the following text in the Eau Claire Leader Telegram.



    ---The petition asks Wisconsin legislators to repeal restrictions on loaded weapons in vehicles and around schools,
    and to start a concealed-carry license system similar to the one enacted by Minnesota in 2003
    .---



    This is the authors mis-interpretation of the petition. I, as the organizer, didn’t make any statement even remotely aligned with his conclusion.
    But the news item is correct - from the petition at bottom: "We also call for maintaining the current complete state preemption of local gun control power, and for the legislature to consider creating a license system to authorize citizens the privilege to conceal their handguns as they move about the state."

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    Including the concealment comment. So, net positive or negative? ~400 attendees and three, any way, mass media pleas for permitted CCW.

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    Mike wrote:
    Fireball357 wrote:
    Before this gets out of hand I want to address the following text in the Eau Claire Leader Telegram.



    ---The petition asks Wisconsin legislators to repeal restrictions on loaded weapons in vehicles and around schools,
    and to start a concealed-carry license system similar to the one enacted by Minnesota in 2003
    .---



    This is the authors mis-interpretation of the petition. I, as the organizer, didn’t make any statement even remotely aligned with his conclusion.
    But the news item is correct - from the petition at bottom: "We also call for maintaining the current complete state preemption of local gun control power, and for the legislature to consider creating a license system to authorize citizens the privilege to conceal their handguns as they move about the state."
    the article said similar to minnesota, i think that is the part in question, we want it similar to VT

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    It is as simple as the repeal of State Statute 941.23; Carrying concealed weapon.

    This should be added to or started as a separate petition.
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    Landose_theghost wrote:
    Wow! 200 people and most were OC'n?...These events are getting bigger and bigger and more & more people are attending,maybe there is still hope for our state afterall.
    Actually; we added up everyone that signed the guest book and had 385.

    This doesn’t include the organizers or staff.

    There were some who admittedly didn’t sign the guest book.

    I feel comfortable saying that we had in excess of 400 in attendance.

    We are gaining momentum.

    About 200 of the people whom signed the guest book gave their e-mails for follow up. I will be getting to that this week.

    Thanks again for the support from those who attended as well as those who couldn’t but did spread the word.
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    Fireball357 wrote:
    It is as simple as the repeal of State Statute 941.23; Carrying concealed weapon.

    This should be added to or started as a separate petition.
    I think the petition founder wanted to be both politically realistic and subtly emphasize that open carry is the right and concealed carry permits were a reasonable regulation of concealed carry.

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    beretta96 the smiley was supposed to indicate that was a joke. My apologies if you took it seriously.

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    http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-...id=BKVGE1UT0J4

    Wow,,
    The perfect recipe to create a negative spin on an event such as this,
    Is to just put a picture of a little girl in the article, which some how looks as
    though she's OC'ing.


    according the the reader comments, that's how it seems to be interpreted.

    I was there, and it was a TOY GUN.








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    Politically it may not be possible to get 941.23 repealed. It is to "handy" a tool for the prosecuting DA's especially when dealing with the criminal element. Criminals nearly always carry their firearms concealed. They certainly do not want to draw attention to the fact they are armed and certainly not if they are convicted felons. Probably the best we can expect is to insist on retaining open carry as a right with a permitting system that would allow the privilege of concealed carry. There is a lot of risk to that position. There are a number of legislature politicians that are just waiting for the door to open on the issue of firearm carry. That will give them the opportunity to attempt to re-write current law and to impose more restrictions on our firearm rights. If we think the "school law" and the "vehicle transport law" are unreasonable restrictions of our constitutional rights I shutter to think what the restrictions on firearm rights would be in order to obtain a permit for the privilege to conceal carry, especially if Minnesota is used as a model.Additional restriction on our rightswill be inevitable. Restrictions are used as bargaining chips in order to buy votes for passage. That's exactly what happened during the days of the Personal Protection Act. So many concessions were made to buy votes that "the baby was thrown out with the bath water". Doyle gets a lot of criticism for vetoeing the PPA. If you ever have the opportunity to read the Bill you will see that he did us a favor. If a permit system for the privilege to conceal carry is initiated in the legislature we must become very active and insist it comes with no additional restrictions over those already imposed on open carry.

    I'm of the opinion that one of the statue victims of a conceal carry initiativemay be the preemption statute. Without preemption our whole cause is threatened. Mayor Barret and Doyle have both said that they will work for repeal of the preemption law. When Doyle no longer has the burden of governorship he can let it all hang out. So be careful what you wish for.

    On april 20, 2009 we won a major battle but I think if we push for conceal carry the war has just begun. My opinions are from my experience as a player in the Personal Protection Act.

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    for those interested in the history of the Personal Protection Act and the url to the PPA itself.

    1993 introduced by Scott Gunderson. Senate Bill numbered SB214

    2004 first veto by Doyle. Veto overide failed by one vote.

    2005 re-introduced as SB403 companion Assembly Bill AB763.

    2006 vetoed by Doyle. Veto overide failed bytwo votes.

    Url to a copy of SB403 http://www.legis.state.wi.us/lfb/200...B763_SB403.pdf



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    Lammie, I fully agree with you that the failed PPA act was a total piece of crap by the time it made it to Doyles desk.
    We are currently far better offwiththat billnot passing.
    But I do not see it as "Doyle doing us a favor" I see him as "cutting off his nose to spite his face" with the way things worked out.

    I vehemently opposed the PPA bill, notbecause I do not want a concealed-carry option, but all the concessions made and all the BS that was included in that bill while trying to appease the opponents of it.

    I will settle for nothing less than AK/VT style carry, We already need to jump through too many hoops just to purchase a firearm. Lets not willingly add more restrictions and obstacles to be able to defend ourselves against the criminals that illegally carry firearm and try to rob, kill, injure and rape us. Lets show them that they can and will be shot and stoppedby almost anyone they try to attack. Show them that they are not the only people with firearms hidden on their person anymore.

    I did not attend the picnic this last weekend, I just couldn't swing the 8 hour round trip.

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