Bebog
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First, I would like to give all of you a word of thanks. I came across this site while deciding to OC while waiting for my CC permit. I have since became well versed in state, federal, constitutional and SCOTUS laws/rights/decisions. I now predominately OC and have ran across many eductional oppurtunities because of it. After 6+ months of daily carrying everywhere, not a single bad incident -- yet. So again, thanks to everyone.
Now, for what may become my largest problem and decision to date:
The company I work for (8 years now) has always had a sign posted as you enter the parking lot that says "No weapons allowed" and it is also posted the same in the employee manual. Now that is not the real problem because so many place do that these days and NC law has not been updated to prevent such silliness yet. I have explained to HR that it strips me of my right to self defense between home and work. (I won"t go into all the boring detail on how this whole topic came up at work) Also it puts those who have a CC in extreme jeapordy because it becomes a criminal act if violated. Also, it is well know that we have several hunters that work there who hunt before going in to work and they usually have a rifle in the car (kind of a don't ask don't tell and hide it well situation). I have also tried to explain to them that I understand private property rights better than most and stand up for that as much as any other rights. And if I were to be seen with a weapon outside my car, they would have all rights to terminate my employment or even call the police if so desired. However, my personal property just happens to be parked on theirs and they have no right to it minus a search warrent.
Now, here comes the real problem. It appears we (all employees) are heading toward having to sign a document on condition of continued employment. This document explains the no weapons stance, defines everything that is their property, that it covers anything brought onto their property including vehicles, bookbags, briefcases, purses, etc and also covers all vendors, contractors and visitors. Furthermore, you have to sign giving consent to search ALL things listed prior at any time they wish.
I get pissed at the thought of warrentless searchs of bags, purses, etc which are actually removed from a vehicle and brought into the workplace. But my whole being screams "F*$k You" at the thought of rolling over on searching my vehicle on the company's whim. This is not a police state and the freaking LEO's don't even have that much leadway.
So please, help me with both your thoughts and some advise on what to do next. Once the trap is sprang, can we insist on time to consult an attorney or can they insist on signing immediately or leave? What kind of attorney should be contacted? Does anyone off hand know the laws involved here?
As a side, I only ask that responses are not about how this is a "right to work" state and they can fire anyone anytime. I am aware of this but see this being more like firing someone for refusing to refrain from ever saying anything bad about Obama or for praying in the cafeteria before eating. They are specifically threatening to terminate for cause and that cause is refusing signing away 2 specific constitutional rights.
I apologize for my first post being so lengthy but I wanted to make sure to give as much information as possible so that you all could help me the best.
First, I would like to give all of you a word of thanks. I came across this site while deciding to OC while waiting for my CC permit. I have since became well versed in state, federal, constitutional and SCOTUS laws/rights/decisions. I now predominately OC and have ran across many eductional oppurtunities because of it. After 6+ months of daily carrying everywhere, not a single bad incident -- yet. So again, thanks to everyone.
Now, for what may become my largest problem and decision to date:
The company I work for (8 years now) has always had a sign posted as you enter the parking lot that says "No weapons allowed" and it is also posted the same in the employee manual. Now that is not the real problem because so many place do that these days and NC law has not been updated to prevent such silliness yet. I have explained to HR that it strips me of my right to self defense between home and work. (I won"t go into all the boring detail on how this whole topic came up at work) Also it puts those who have a CC in extreme jeapordy because it becomes a criminal act if violated. Also, it is well know that we have several hunters that work there who hunt before going in to work and they usually have a rifle in the car (kind of a don't ask don't tell and hide it well situation). I have also tried to explain to them that I understand private property rights better than most and stand up for that as much as any other rights. And if I were to be seen with a weapon outside my car, they would have all rights to terminate my employment or even call the police if so desired. However, my personal property just happens to be parked on theirs and they have no right to it minus a search warrent.
Now, here comes the real problem. It appears we (all employees) are heading toward having to sign a document on condition of continued employment. This document explains the no weapons stance, defines everything that is their property, that it covers anything brought onto their property including vehicles, bookbags, briefcases, purses, etc and also covers all vendors, contractors and visitors. Furthermore, you have to sign giving consent to search ALL things listed prior at any time they wish.
I get pissed at the thought of warrentless searchs of bags, purses, etc which are actually removed from a vehicle and brought into the workplace. But my whole being screams "F*$k You" at the thought of rolling over on searching my vehicle on the company's whim. This is not a police state and the freaking LEO's don't even have that much leadway.
So please, help me with both your thoughts and some advise on what to do next. Once the trap is sprang, can we insist on time to consult an attorney or can they insist on signing immediately or leave? What kind of attorney should be contacted? Does anyone off hand know the laws involved here?
As a side, I only ask that responses are not about how this is a "right to work" state and they can fire anyone anytime. I am aware of this but see this being more like firing someone for refusing to refrain from ever saying anything bad about Obama or for praying in the cafeteria before eating. They are specifically threatening to terminate for cause and that cause is refusing signing away 2 specific constitutional rights.
I apologize for my first post being so lengthy but I wanted to make sure to give as much information as possible so that you all could help me the best.
