David in MI
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DrTodd wrote:
DrTodd wrote:
Does GVM qualify as an "entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2500...?" I really doubt this applies to GVM. I don't believe you could stretch the definition of "entertainment" and make it apply to shopping. Additionally, I don't believe the mall seats anywhere near that many people. If both could be said to be true then I am in big trouble when I go to my local grocery store...packinheatmiinoh wrote:
I shop at GVM frequently with my teenagers, I am ALWAYS OC'ing, I have never been stopped or asked about it, The law clearly states that they can stop you from carrying, but it must be clearly posted over the entrance doors, which it is not, I would respect their policy by not shopping there, but since I have never had an instance I will continue to shop, I can always change my mind though, The only thing they can do is ask you to leave, which I would do peacefully with my teenagers, and my money.
The law clearly states that if the premises are "An entertainment facility with a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals or that has a sign above each public entrance stating in letters not less than 1-inch high a seating capacity of 2,500 or more individuals", then CC is prohibited. (See MCL 28.425o)
This section makes it "illegal" to carry a concealed pistol. It does not make OC or the possession of a pistol "illegal". If you are CCing and they have met the aforementioned requirement AND the facility is one used for "enetertainment", then you would be violating the law and could be charged with "carrying concealed in a pistol-free zone" whether you were asked to leave or not.
This does NOT mean that a private property owner who wishes to forbid firearms needs to follow this in order to prohibit firearms, nor would such a sign necessarily prohibit OCing a firearm if you did not see the sign. A sign would function the same as an owner asking you to leave if you are carrying. It would be easier for the owner to enforce the prohibition if the sign was clearly placed over all entrances, but there is no requirement that they must do this. If you did not see the sign, you have not been notified. When you do see the sign, and can easily see the prohibition on the sign, then you must leave or face a charge of trespassing. Also, if you are told to leave because the owner (or owner's agent) claims it's posted, you must likewise leave or face a charge of trespass.