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    NO CONSERVATIVE DEFENSE FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE

    The constitution firmly protects our right to bear arms, but displaying those weapons in an inflammatory context can deeply damage the conservative cause.

    A protester named William Kostric showed up at President Obama’s New Hampshire Townhall meeting wearing a holstered gun on his leg and carrying a sign that read: “It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty.” The sign referred to Thomas Jefferson’s quote that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” With this background, the gun-toting protester was clearly calling for murder, suicide or both.

    How else could you interpret his sign? What other liquid, besides blood, did he have in mind for “watering” the liberty tree? Serious conservatives make a big mistake when they defend such sick and irresponsible calls for violence.

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    It is far past time for such a call, and Michael Medved needs to wake up and look around him before he finds that he no longer has any liberty at all. Alas, another RINO at work.

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    compmanio365 wrote:
    It is far past time for such a call. . . .
    . . . for political violence?

    What?

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    Remember that Medved might be a Republican (INO), but he's a "family values liberal" at heart.

    Having kids and religious convictions doesn't make you a conservative. Matter of fact, that seems to negate any conservative principles the moment someone says "for the children".



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    It's amazing how something that hasn't lead to any violence, has prevented violence of the other side, is somehow a call for violence.....

    As usual, the most glaring fact is never mentioned: nothing bad happened. Blah blah blah. The universe did not explode, Blowbama is still preaching his stupidities, all the filth that tried to violently oppress those who dared protest against them are still alive, and ranting like a bunch of ****** bags on TV.


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    ixtow wrote:
    It's amazing how something that hasn't lead to any violence, has prevented violence of the other side, is somehow a call for violence.....



    Exactly. UNION THUGS STARTED THE VIOLENCE, Gun owners STOPPED IT. Without firing a shot, drawing their weapons, being aggressive or even rude. If there is anything in the world worth killing a man over, it's your life and liberty. The law allows (in most states) to defend your life and liberty from aggression.

    Is it time to "water the tree of liberty"? Uhhh.... no, that time came and went. We keep drawing lines in the sand, and backing up. Eventually we will hit a wall however. I don't know at what point we'll hit the wall, and as a family man all I can hope for is that the side opposing liberty will see the potential for armed resistance, and back off, so that we can retake lost ground. Judging by the reaction of those in power, and the absolute hysterical incontinence of the media, it's my oppinion that people OC'ing at these events were a positive step at both pushing back tyranny, preventing a real conflict, and showing everyone else we can OC, and nothing bad happens.



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    The Donkey wrote:
    compmanio365 wrote:
    It is far past time for such a call. . . .
    . . . for political violence?

    What?
    We live with the threat of political violence everyday. Its what the government uses,in the form of threat, to extort from us an unnecessary and oppressivetax and regulatory burden.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    One man's inflammatory context is another's opportunity for fifteen minutes of fame. Mikey's had his and is famous and a talk show MC,

    "Y'all need to be more respectful now, hear?" says MC Mikey.

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    Citizen wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    compmanio365 wrote:
    It is far past time for such a call. . . .
    . . . for political violence?

    What?
    We live with the threat of political violence everyday. Its what the government uses,in the form of threat, to extort from us an unnecessary and oppressivetax and regulatory burden.
    "See the violence inherent in the system."

    "Help. I'm being repressed."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0

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    ZUMBO MEDVED!
    http://townhall.com/blog/g/e30a3cea-a2b8-4a2e-b0f6-ebf32cdb1b88

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    smoking357 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    compmanio365 wrote:
    It is far past time for such a call. . . .
    . . . for political violence?

    What?
    We live with the threat of political violence everyday. Its what the government uses,in the form of threat, to extort from us an unnecessary and oppressivetax and regulatory burden.
    "See the violence inherent in the system."

    "Help. I'm being repressed."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0
    +1

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    Medved isn't quite as pompously ignorant as Michael Savage.

    That's about all I've got.
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    sick and irresponsible calls for violence
    ... to stop. How dare we deter violence. There must be BLOOD!

    Yes, Mr. Medved, yes... criminals must NEVER be threatened.



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    N6ATF wrote:
    sick and irresponsible calls for violence
    ... to stop. How dare we deter violence. There must be BLOOD!

    Yes, Mr. Medved, yes... criminals must NEVER be threatened.

    So then the quote must go: "the tree of liberty must . . .be watered with the blood of CRIMINALS"?

    Hmmmm

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    The Donkey wrote:
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    sick and irresponsible calls for violence
    ... to stop. How dare we deter violence. There must be BLOOD!

    Yes, Mr. Medved, yes... criminals must NEVER be threatened.

    So then the quote must go: "the tree of liberty must . . .be watered with the blood of CRIMINALS"?

    Hmmmm
    No, the original quote was fine... patriots and tyrants. Tyrants being criminals in and out of government (tyranny of the few against the many), patriots being law-abiding citizens who don't wake up in the morning thinking about how best to victimize fellow law-abiding citizens. The battle over liberty is not suicidal nor bloodless for the patriot. When you're putting an end to criminally deadly force, it's not always bunnies and kittens.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    SNIP So then the quote must go: "the tree of liberty must . . .be watered with the blood of CRIMINALS"?

    Hmmmm
    From No Treason:

    The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you. He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave...

    A tacit understanding between A, B, and C, that they will, by ballot, depute D as their agent, to deprive me of my property, liberty, or life, cannot at all authorize D to do so. He is none the less a robber, tyrant, and murderer, because he claims to act as their agent, than he would be if he avowedly acted on his own responsibility alone.(emphasis added) --Lysander Spooner, No Treason, 1870
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    First, Mike Medved is a funsucker first-class. All i have ever seen of him is his prissy movie reviews where he deplores the fact that movies have anything in them other than cute little bunnykins kissing butterflies in a beautiful flower meadow. Dammit, I wanna see a good shootemup. And if he don't like it he can just withhold his custom from the theater. Given the choice I would rather hang around with the late Al "Screw Magazine" Ginsberg, because Medved's vision for society is as sterile as an operating room (but he would object to the blood, so no surgery and the patient dies, but quietly and tastefully) Ned Flanders would die of saccharine poisoning if exposed to Medved.

    Second, the "tree of liberty" sign. Yeah, MAYBE a little over the top, but these politicians need to know that they are shoving on the San Andreas Fault. The words are those of the Author of the Declaration of Independence and it is damned amazing how little re-writing it would take to apply it to our own leaders today. Sending forth swarms of officers to eat out our substance is EXACTLY what Obamacare and "cap and tax" envision; and if there is not a pattern designed to reduce us to absolute despotism, one is rapidly emerging. The shouts and screaming at the "town halls" have would-be despots trembling. They had better listen. There was a song we learned in grade school that had the refrain:

    "Oh can't you hear the sinnging of the Bugle Loud and Free?

    Full soon you'll hear the ringing of the Rifle from each tree!

    FOR THE RIFLE, FOR THE RIFLE -

    IN OUR HANDS WILL PROVE NO TRIFLE!!

    Of course, that was when we were taught REAL values.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Ned Flanders would die of saccharine poisoning if exposed to Medved.
    HAHAHAHA

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    First, Mike Medved is a funsucker first-class. All i have ever seen of him is his prissy movie reviews where he deplores the fact that movies have anything in them other than cute little bunnykins kissing butterflies in a beautiful flower meadow.
    LOL!!

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    Will I explode if I touch you?
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    I must say thanks to smoking 357 that was great I needed a laugh as I am now officially un employed in Ohio. Mved is a ****** im not a big fan he is just a raiod chacter the real dude at home prob isnt the same man at all.


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    Bustelo5% wrote:
    I must say thanks to smoking 357 that was great I needed a laugh as I am now officially un employed in Ohio. Mved is a ****** im not a big fan he is just a raiod chacter the real dude at home prob isnt the same man at all.
    So does that mean you're moving to VA soon?

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    So, it's wrong to quote the founding fathers now?

    You know, there's a document carefully preserved in the nation's capital that spells out how it is the right of the people to overthrow a government that they feel isn't protecting their rights. Maybe we should burn that document as being seditious.

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    Will anyone hire me? ill move their tonight if someone can give me the money to fly or drive there and ill have work.
    I lived in VA at ft belvoir for awile while my dad was stationed there.
    Really anyone want to hire me I am a custo service dude w 14 years experience. Ohio sucks

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    Bustelo5% wrote:
    Will anyone hire me? ill move their tonight if someone can give me the money to fly or drive there and ill have work.
    I lived in VA at ft belvoir for awile while my dad was stationed there.
    Really anyone want to hire me I am a custo service dude w 14 years experience. Ohio sucks
    You know, you might be onto something. I was reading in the paper just the other day, or maybe a blog, that the unemployment rate in the DC area is only 6% or something lower than the rest of country.

    Maybe its worth calling a few employment agencies or temp agencies in this area.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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