AWDstylez
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AZkopper wrote:
Yes! This, exactly.
AZkopper wrote:
AWDstylez wrote:DMWyatt wrote:It's group number #4 that comes forward to @#$% in the pie. They refuse to compromise on ANYTHING. They want felons with guns, kids with guns, no background checks, etc. I don't care what your interpretation of the 2A is, the American public is NOT going to buy that extremism.. .Gun rights were taken away in baby steps, they must be restored in baby steps. An all or nothing approach results in us getting nowhere....Personally, I fall somewhere between the last 2 groups.
DMWyatt, that's a pretty good sumation of the gun/carry movement. Like yourself, I see myself as a group 3.5 or 3.75 person.
AWD......I agree with you.....on this statement:what: (has hell froze over?).
You are right also, in stating that regardless of whether the 2Awas meant to be anAbsolute Right or not (and Heller has pretty much said it is not an absolute right), 98%+ of the American public will never say, "hey, sure he's a rapist, and sure he just served his 15 year sentance, but now that he's out, he should be allowed to buy and carry a gun". Nor will they say, "Hey, ya know 'crazy mike', the guy who talks to imaginary people on the street corner and smears feces on his face...I think he should be able to have a gun".
Just my opinion (which has no greater worth than anyone elses), I feel we should focus on:
1. making OC (and CC, and gunpossession in general) socially acceptable and legal in all 50 states.
2. Make 'Constitutional Carry' (OC/CC with no permit) legal and the norm in all 50 states.
3. Repeal 'school zone' laws that infringe on The People's Right to Keep and Bear Arms in public places. I'd put the post office laws in this catagory, too.
4. Repeal laws that infringe on business owner's rights to choose to allow or forbid weapons in their establishments (I'm referring to bar-carry or restaraunt carry specifically here).
5. Repeal DV laws and other laws that allow misdemeanor offensesor Restraining Ordersto infringe on firearm possession.
Basically, I feel that :
1. As long as you have not been convicted of a felony (perhaps only a violent felony? I'm still thinking this one out--perhaps non-violent felons should have the right to petition the state to have their 2A rights restored at some point);
2. Or have not been adjudicated as mentally incompetant;
3. You should be able to buy/own/carry a firearm anywhere in public you wish; and anywhere on private property, as long as the private property owner does not object.
I know the 'group 4' people will accuse me of being a gun grabber, communist sympathizer, or Jack Booted Thug, and that's fine. That's how I feel, and we'd be very blessed to get America to that condition.
Yes! This, exactly.