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    So I had to take a few buses today for business reasons. The buses I was on were Metro, Sound Transit, and Pierce Transit. I was CCing rather than OCing, just because my jacket covered my pistol..

    However, when I hopped on the Pierce Transit bus, I was the only one on with the bus driver, and I decided to spark up a conversation with him about firearms on the bus.

    Here's as close to how it went:

    Me "So.. you have any experiences with passengers open carrying their firearm on the Pierce Transit bus?"

    Driver "Oh, yeah.. actually it's not allowed! But I personally don't care, cause I'm a hunter, active shooter and big time gun advocate, but our management doesn't allow it"

    Me "Oh, well did you know that Washington State has a preemption law that allows the carry of firearms on public transportation?"

    Driver "Well I know they have a preemption law, but we as drivers are given strict orders. Actually, if we see anyone with an exposed firearm, then we're ordered to radio in to dispatch with a code word, and transit security will show up on the scene and escort the passenger off of the bus, because it's not allowed"

    Me "Really?? Do you know if there are any written policies on that?"

    Driver *Pulls out a Pierce Transit guide with the rules in it, and points to the rule that says "No unlawful firearms or weapons allowed on the bus"

    Me "Oh, there it says that no *unlawful* firearms are allowed on the bus, which basically allows the lawful carry of a sidearm in an exposed holster, right?"

    Driver "I wish it did, but our drivers immediately call dispatch and report an armed passenger, and there will be a lot of security on the scene. My advice is, if you're going to carry, then just conceal it, and don't let the bus driver see it"

    My stop was coming up, so I cut the conversation short, but I kept the conversation at a reasonable level without starting an argument.


    Later on, I called Metro, and just out of curiosity, I asked them their policy on passengers carrying firearms on their bus. I know the law, but I was curious as to what kind of knowledge they have on it.

    Here's how that conversation went on the phone

    Me "Hello, I was curious if you could tell me Metros policies on passengers carrying firearms on the public metro bus?"

    Metro Person "It isn't allowed. At all. No explosives of any kind, including guns aren't allowed on metro buses or property"

    Me "Interesting. Thanks for the information, although Washington State Law says otherwise"

    Metro Person "Huh? Well none are allowed on our buses. Have a good day" *Hangs up*

    It's pretty discouraging to know that our public transit operators actually admit that they will call security on a passenger lawfully carrying his sidearm on the bus.

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    Take one for the team and bring an audio recording device and all the RCWs.

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    I would if I was down there, I bet there is some bluffing though to try to discourage it, I think they know it is, but are trying to use threats to discourage it. Hey Bellingham Police did that to me. It doesn't stop me.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Man..

    I just called Pierce Transit, and here's how it went

    Me "I was curious if you know the legalities on passengers legally carrying their firearms on the Pierce Transit bus?"

    Person "Uh.. well.. it's actually not allowed"


    Me "I was asking, because I've read both the Washington State Law, and the Pierce Transit Rule Book, and the Rule Book specifically said that no unlawful firearms are allowed on the bus.. which means that a passenger can legally carry their lawful firearm, right?"

    Person "Well... if you have a concealed weapons permit, then you can conceal your gun and get on the bus, but it has to be concealed. it cant just be standing out in a holster for the entire world to see. if it is, the driver will make a call to our security right on the spot"

    I start talking, and I get hung up on. Some customer service that Pierce Transit has.

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    There is always a higher up, talk to them or better yet take a bus ride.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
    Later on, I called Metro, and just out of curiosity, I asked them their policy on passengers carrying firearms on their bus. I know the law, but I was curious as to what kind of knowledge they have on it.

    Here's how that conversation went on the phone

    Me "Hello, I was curious if you could tell me Metros policies on passengers carrying firearms on the public metro bus?"

    Metro Person "It isn't allowed. At all. No explosives of any kind, including guns aren't allowed on metro buses or property"

    Me "Interesting. Thanks for the information, although Washington State Law says otherwise"

    Metro Person "Huh? Well none are allowed on our buses. Have a good day" *Hangs up*

    It's pretty discouraging to know that our public transit operators actually admit that they will call security on a passenger lawfully carrying his sidearm on the bus.
    That's BS. Ask them if they've seen their own 8/5/2009 Operations Policy Bullitin regarding OC....

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    Metro knows better and has issued a bulletin, Pierce Transit knows better, and posts the entire wording of RCW 9.91.025 on their vehicles. Community Transit knows better, but still whines about it. Sound Transit is aware of the law as well, as is Mason Transit and Intercity Transit (Olympia). I have OC'd from Olympia to Lynnwood, and back again starting on an IT bus, changing buses at Lakewood and getting on a Pierce Transit operated Sound Transit Route, riding metro around in Seattle often, as well as Community Transit. CT especially knows what is up, as they gave me grief last December over a cased longarm, and I had a long series of conversations. Never had any problems on Pierce or Metro.

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    trevorthebusdriver wrote:
    stuff here...
    Trevor, I love having you on this forum. Nice to have accurate information.



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