Rbwhanson
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So I went to Walmart in Hartford at Noon today. This time was to do the major weekly grocery shopping. I successfully OC's my first two times ever in the same Walmart the few days earlier. This time I was in shorts and a t-shirt, not looking nearly as nice as I was the last two times as I was in work clothes.
I finish my shopping at about 12:30 and a manager (didn't get his name) asked me why was carrying and holstered and I told him for self defense. He asked me if I was law enforcement or anything and I stated that I wasn't. He said well it is Walmart policy that you cannot have a firearm in our store. I proceeded to say very well, can I get your regional managers name and number. He gave it to me (Conrad Schaefer 262-251-5847, that is his work line M-F) He then told me while he knows state laws and agrees with them, that this is a corporate policy.
I get to the parking lot and see 3 cop cars, conveniently enough parked in the same row as me. I proceed to put all the bags in my car I get 1/2 way through and see an officer walking towards me. He get's within 5yds of me so I know he is coming to me. I proceed to say "Good Afternoon Officer". And he said keep your hands where I can see them. I keep them on the cart and he asks me for my ID, so I proceed to hand him my State ID after warning him it was in my back pocket. He states that he is not arresting me, but there was a complaint of me carrying in Walmart. He then asks to see my firearm so that he can run it through the database. (Two more cops walk up). I let him know it is locked properly in my trunk. I get my keys and unlock the trunk (this is the point where the don't talk to cops video starts running through my head....a bit too late). I grab the case and hand it to another cop and state that the serial number is clearly marked on the outside, but that I will open it if necessary. They open it with my key and run it, of course it comes back legal.
Then the officer proceeds to say that They are not arresting me although some cities such as Milwaukee are arresting. I ask what for, and he states Disorderly Conduct. He asks if I have ran into trouble carrying anywhere else and I state that I have not. He asks that I do not carry again in Walmart. I then ask how it is considered disorderly conduct. He gives me some run down about yelling fire at a movie theater. I tell him that I have already emailed the Senator in regards to the disorderly conduct law. I tell him currently the disorderly conduct law is wrong and should e changed and give him my own analogy of the law. I tell him technically the way you are telling me "If I was walking down the street with my dog on a leash and a neighbor can call me in if they don't like it, and I can be arrested for walking a dog". He says "Right" He says just because that the Attorney Generals interpretation of it does not make it law. He said that this will have to be answered at a Supreme court level as it probably will. He asks me for my phone number, and I oblige. He then asks me if I have anymore questions. I state "No" shake his hand and thank him for his time.
I forgot to get his name in the heat of the moment, but started getting more clear on things I should have done as I was driving. In small cities like Hartford I assume every cop has his/her own car. His car number was #5 and plate# was 3870.
I obviously will not carry in Walmart until I can talk to corporate and the store manager. Any good contacts, besides the regional guy I got? Also I know most of it, but what should I have done differently? This disorderly conduct law seriously needs to be re-written....
-Ryan Hanson
So I went to Walmart in Hartford at Noon today. This time was to do the major weekly grocery shopping. I successfully OC's my first two times ever in the same Walmart the few days earlier. This time I was in shorts and a t-shirt, not looking nearly as nice as I was the last two times as I was in work clothes.
I finish my shopping at about 12:30 and a manager (didn't get his name) asked me why was carrying and holstered and I told him for self defense. He asked me if I was law enforcement or anything and I stated that I wasn't. He said well it is Walmart policy that you cannot have a firearm in our store. I proceeded to say very well, can I get your regional managers name and number. He gave it to me (Conrad Schaefer 262-251-5847, that is his work line M-F) He then told me while he knows state laws and agrees with them, that this is a corporate policy.
I get to the parking lot and see 3 cop cars, conveniently enough parked in the same row as me. I proceed to put all the bags in my car I get 1/2 way through and see an officer walking towards me. He get's within 5yds of me so I know he is coming to me. I proceed to say "Good Afternoon Officer". And he said keep your hands where I can see them. I keep them on the cart and he asks me for my ID, so I proceed to hand him my State ID after warning him it was in my back pocket. He states that he is not arresting me, but there was a complaint of me carrying in Walmart. He then asks to see my firearm so that he can run it through the database. (Two more cops walk up). I let him know it is locked properly in my trunk. I get my keys and unlock the trunk (this is the point where the don't talk to cops video starts running through my head....a bit too late). I grab the case and hand it to another cop and state that the serial number is clearly marked on the outside, but that I will open it if necessary. They open it with my key and run it, of course it comes back legal.
Then the officer proceeds to say that They are not arresting me although some cities such as Milwaukee are arresting. I ask what for, and he states Disorderly Conduct. He asks if I have ran into trouble carrying anywhere else and I state that I have not. He asks that I do not carry again in Walmart. I then ask how it is considered disorderly conduct. He gives me some run down about yelling fire at a movie theater. I tell him that I have already emailed the Senator in regards to the disorderly conduct law. I tell him currently the disorderly conduct law is wrong and should e changed and give him my own analogy of the law. I tell him technically the way you are telling me "If I was walking down the street with my dog on a leash and a neighbor can call me in if they don't like it, and I can be arrested for walking a dog". He says "Right" He says just because that the Attorney Generals interpretation of it does not make it law. He said that this will have to be answered at a Supreme court level as it probably will. He asks me for my phone number, and I oblige. He then asks me if I have anymore questions. I state "No" shake his hand and thank him for his time.
I forgot to get his name in the heat of the moment, but started getting more clear on things I should have done as I was driving. In small cities like Hartford I assume every cop has his/her own car. His car number was #5 and plate# was 3870.
I obviously will not carry in Walmart until I can talk to corporate and the store manager. Any good contacts, besides the regional guy I got? Also I know most of it, but what should I have done differently? This disorderly conduct law seriously needs to be re-written....
-Ryan Hanson