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    Texas sucks. I think I may end up OCing myself a long gun when I get back to Utah.

    Perfect opportunity to get back to my regularly scheduled programming.

    Guess I want to be the test case.

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    I have thought about OC'ing a fully automatic supressed pistol... you know like a M10 or M11... just one or two problems... I don't have the BATFE tax stamp and I don't have the weapon or the silencer...

    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons... LOL Just wishfull thinking, I guess!
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    Maybe, on the state or federal level?

    If it were at the state level, which I don't think it is, we have a good legislature for it.

    Wonder, with all the OC familiarization we've done, if they will over react to a slung rifle.

    Guess we shall see.

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons.
    I can't find anything in Utah law that would prohibit concealed carry of fully automatic or suppressed firearms. The only Utah Code restriction I can find on fully automatic firearms is on possession by a minor. I cannot find even a mention of silenced or suppressed firearms in Utah Code.

    If you know of any, please post a cite so we can all learn.


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    Oleg Volk says it best:


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    rpyne wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons.
    I can't find anything in Utah law that would prohibit concealed carry of fully automatic or suppressed firearms. The only Utah Code restriction I can find on fully automatic firearms is on possession by a minor. I cannot find even a mention of silenced or suppressed firearms in Utah Code.

    If you know of any, please post a cite so we can all learn.
    My mistake... the only reference I can find is in http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getC...code=76-10-504

    (3)Anyone concealing asawed off shotgun or a short barrelled rifle is guilty of a felony.

    Concealed permit holders are exempt from 76-10-504 (1), and (2) and 76-10-505 per

    http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getC...code=76-10-523subsection 2.
    I don't see anything about a concealling a fully automaticand/or suppressedweaponthat is not a short barrelled rifle or a sawed off shotgun. Thank for having me revisit this code....
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    After school move back or test the waters and OC would make for a great court case.
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    JoeSparky wrote:
    I have thought about OC'ing a fully automatic supressed pistol... you know like a M10 or M11... just one or two problems... I don't have the BATFE tax stamp and I don't have the weapon or the silencer...

    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons... LOL Just wishfull thinking, I guess!
    I think there are federal laws covering this as well as the purchase and posession of "fully automatic" weapons. I would look it up, but it's 2:00 AM, and I'm just on and off to bed. It's been a long day and I'm being a sloth right now.

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    LovesHisXD45 wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    I have thought about OC'ing a fully automatic supressed pistol... you know like a M10 or M11... just one or two problems... I don't have the BATFE tax stamp and I don't have the weapon or the silencer...

    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons... LOL Just wishfull thinking, I guess!
    I think there are federal laws covering this as well as the purchase and posession of "fully automatic" weapons. I would look it up, but it's 2:00 AM, and I'm just on and off to bed. It's been a long day and I'm being a sloth right now.

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    The Federal laws require completing the application form, getting the signature of a Police chief or County Sheriff, paying the $200.00 tax on both the fully-automatic firearm and the silencer.

    For a fully automatic weapon not for LE or military the weapon must have been manufactured and registered as an automatic weapon before 1986. The silencer can be of new construction. In fact, with the correct paperwork to BATFE you can make your own.

    Utah does not restrict the ownership or possesionor useany more strictly that other weapons. Unlike Washington state where it is legal to own a silencer but illegal to install such on a firearm.

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    Maybe, on the state or federal level?

    If it were at the state level, which I don't think it is, we have a good legislature for it.

    Wonder, with all the OC familiarization we've done, if they will over react to a slung rifle.

    Guess we shall see.
    Is your intent to exercise you 2nd ammendment right or is it to stir the pot? The answer to that question should determine if you do this or not.

    Either way, good luck.

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    Excercising (sp?) my right to OC is why I feel like doing this. I haven't been able to in the past year.

    Though, I am curious as to the possible reaction.

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    ok then, carry on

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    rpyne wrote:
    JoeSparky wrote:
    I wonder if we could get the State Legislature to repeal their ban on Concealed carry of fully automatic or supressed weapons.
    I can't find anything in Utah law that would prohibit concealed carry of fully automatic or suppressed firearms. The only Utah Code restriction I can find on fully automatic firearms is on possession by a minor. I cannot find even a mention of silenced or suppressed firearms in Utah Code.

    If you know of any, please post a cite so we can all learn.
    My mistake... the only reference I can find is in http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getC...code=76-10-504

    (3)Anyone concealing asawed off shotgun or a short barrelled rifle is guilty of a felony.

    Concealed permit holders are exempt from 76-10-504 (1), and (2) and 76-10-505 per

    http://www.le.utah.gov/UtahCode/getC...code=76-10-523subsection 2.
    I don't see anything about a concealling a fully automaticand/or suppressedweaponthat is not a short barrelled rifle or a sawed off shotgun. Thank for having me revisit this code....
    This might be a good spot to ask a question I had.

    With all this said..... Can a person CC or even OC an AR pistol?

    Its not a SBR, rifle or any thing else. Its a pistol, maybe a bit excesive at times but still a pistol, but I would like to compare it to the FN Five-seveN pistol that holds 20 small rifle rnds

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    Yep, the law makes no differentiation between long arms and pistols, and so you can oc your ar pistol. As long as it was manufactured as a pistol.

    I am unsure however of your ability to cc an ar pistol. They are quite large.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    Yep, the law makes no differentiation between long arms and pistols, and so you can oc your ar pistol. As long as it was manufactured as a pistol.

    I am unsure however of your ability to cc an ar pistol. They are quite large.
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    Is that a pistol or are you just happy to see me?:shock:

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I am unsure however of your ability to cc an ar pistol. They are quite large.
    Just get a really big Smartcarry, who cares about printing...

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    JoeSparky wrote:
    I have thought about OC'ing a fully automatic supressed pistol... you know like a M10 or M11... just one or two problems... I don't have the BATFE tax stamp and I don't have the weapon or the silencer...
    I've not found it practical to carry (open or concealed) a suppressed pistol. Most holsters just don't accommodate this well. If you do want to get into a suppressed pistol, I recommend starting with a nice .22 can. I've got half a dozen Sig Mosquito+Gemtech Outback II combos that are looking for good homes right now (I'll happily sell them at my cost to forum members).

    I word of warning however, getting bitten by the class 3 bug can grow to be expensive. With the rising cost of ammo, I find I get less and less enjoyment out of shooting full-auto (something about measuring your ammo costs in dollars/sec takes some of the fun out of it).

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    leeland wrote:
    With the rising cost of ammo, I find I get less and less enjoyment out of shooting full-auto (something about measuring your ammo costs in dollars/sec takes some of the fun out of it).
    LOL, I've never heard it put that way before. Guess I'm lucky to have a rich uncle that gives me automatic weapons and the bullet by the thousands to shoot out of them.

    Since the military has given me plenty of time to remove the novelty of it, I have learned that there are only two positive purposes for full auto fire. One is to defend against the Mongolian Horde and the other is to scream, "Go Away!" Usually, all it really does is burn through a finite supply of ammo and shout, "Here I am. Shoot me!" I prefer long range precision weapons that cause the other guy to think, "Pop!" "What happened to..." "Pop!"

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    With the rising cost of ammo, I find I get less and less enjoyment out of shooting full-auto (something about measuring your ammo costs in dollars/sec takes some of the fun out of it).
    LOL, I've never heard it put that way before. Guess I'm lucky to have a rich uncle that gives me automatic weapons and the bullet by the thousands to shoot out of them.

    Since the military has given me plenty of time to remove the novelty of it, I have learned that there are only two positive purposes for full auto fire. One is to defend against the Mongolian Horde and the other is to scream, "Go Away!" Usually, all it really does is burn through a finite supply of ammo and shout, "Here I am. Shoot me!" I prefer long range precision weapons that cause the other guy to think, "Pop!" "What happened to..." "Pop!"
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    thx997303 wrote:
    Excercising (sp?) my right to OC is why I feel like doing this. I haven't been able to in the past year.

    Though, I am curious as to the possible reaction.
    What kind of long gun you lookin' to OC?


    Couldn't you OC with a handgun instead of with a long gun?



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    Yes I could, but why? I already have done that, and I haven't been able to OC for a year now because I have been in Texas.

    Why do you care anyway?

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    SNIP I haven't been able to OC for a year now because I have been in Texas.
    Good lord, has it been a year already?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    thx997303 wrote:
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    thx997303 wrote:
    Excercising (sp?) my right to OC is why I feel like doing this. I haven't been able to in the past year.

    Though, I am curious as to the possible reaction.
    What kind of long gun you lookin' to OC?


    Couldn't you OC with a handgun instead of with a long gun?

    Yes I could, but why? I already have done that, and I haven't been able to OC for a year now because I have been in Texas.
    I don't follow your thinking. OK. Let's see if I got it right:

    1. You have OC'd before--a handgun. In UT.

    2. You have been in Texas for a year. No opportunity to OC ahandgun.

    3. You miss OCing. A handgun.

    4. You're going back to UT. You will be able to do what you miss. OC a handgun.

    5. Instead, you want to OC something different. A rifle.

    6. Your motivation to OC a rifle is to do something you haven't done. To get a "reaction." To be a "test case."


    That about it, thx?

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    Test case? No, I am merely curious as to the possible reaction. It is not the reason I want to do this.

    Hank, join the military, be separated from your family for a year, have nearly all liberties stripped, wake up at 3 in the morning everyday except for saturday and sunday, wake up and pull guard duty in the middle of the night several nights a week, pull many 24 hour shifts as well, etc, etc. Then see how you feel about your liberty.

    If you have already done this, then you should know how I feel.

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