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    I feel that this forum is well self moderated on most of the sub forums, especially the state forums.

    But in the general discussion forum, well, I find it to be almost a free for all.

    I decided to see what it would take to get banned from another forum I frequent, and after calling someone a moron twice, I was banned for three days.

    I would link the posts, except that they banned my IP and I can't even read the forum.

    Anyway, I feel that this is ridiculous over moderation, but in my experience with the other forum, it is an extremely pleasant forum to read and trolling is nearly non existent.

    I believe that one or two moderators for the general discussion forum, and a closer adherence to the rules would benefit the forum and the movement as a whole, while still allowing open and honest debate among members.

    Just my honest opinion, and I am not pointing any fingers, merely making a point.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I feel that this forum is well self moderated on most of the sub forums, especially the state forums.

    But in the general discussion forum, well, I find it to be almost a free for all.

    I decided to see what it would take to get banned from another forum I frequent, and after calling someone a moron twice, I was banned for three days.

    I would link the posts, except that they banned my IP and I can't even read the forum.

    Anyway, I feel that this is ridiculous over moderation, but in my experience with the other forum, it is an extremely pleasant forum to read and trolling is nearly non existent.

    I believe that one or two moderators for the general discussion forum, and a closer adherence to the rules would benefit the forum and the movement as a whole, while still allowing open and honest debate among members.

    Just my honest opinion, and I am not pointing any fingers, merely making a point.
    I think you learn a lot about a person by seeing how far he'll allow others to practice matters displeasing to himself.

    One of the disadvantages of web forums is that moderation, a.k.a. censorship, is permitted. Much more honest Internet discussion occurs on USENET, but nobody knows how to configure a newsreader, anymore.

    This board is so much less effective and honest than it could be. I endure so many warnings and have so many posts deleted that it's clear that gun owners are the source of the liberty-restricting mechanisms that wend their way through social intercourse and government, reemerging later as gun control.

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    Deriding an entire class of people based on the fact that they don't agree with your anarchist views does not exactly encourage open and honest discussion.

    What I am speaking of is aiding in the removal of emotionally charged attacks on other posters.

    Honest discussion based on ones opinions can be done without such unwelcome attacks.

    And of course, if you so hate this group, why post here?

    You are not obligated to do so, and quite obviously despite your many posts going against the wishes of the owners of the board, you have not been banned.

    John and Mike's patience is far greater than my own.

    Especially in late of your blatant, how do I put this, lack of respect for The LE community.

    I'm not sure if you have read this, but maybe you will gain some perspective.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum3/7073.html

    Also, you may benefit from a reading of this.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html

    Note rules 2 and 5.

    I will not engage in further discussion with you about this matter. Please take it elsewhere.

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    In a real life forum, moderation may not be required. On the Internet.....the relative anonymity means that people can and do become absolute jerks and run their mouths without any fear of reprisal. This is why moderation on Internet forums is necessary. Not to mention, that the equivalent of the Internet forum is a private residence where people are invited in to discuss their opinions so long as they follow certain guidelines. The First Amendment does not apply here, just like it does not apply to you in my residence. If I do not like what you have to say, or you refuse to abide by the rules of conduct, I can and would force you to leave. On the Internet, that equals banning.

    I understand that John and Mike are both busy guys and can not always be on the forum to police and make sure things don't get out of hand. For those that have not been here to remember, there was an incident a while back where John and Mike decided that there would be no moderators, and only they would have any admin powers. While understandable, it's kind of like throwing the baby out with the bath water.....instead of punishing only those responsible for the incident and being done with it, they removed the rest of the moderator staff, which had done nothing wrong, from their positions. Ever since, this forum has degenerated into the back stabbing, troll fest you see today.

    The bottom line is, if there is not some moderation brought back onto this forum, and quickly, the number of visitors to this site will continue to diminish, and the business of furthering open carry will never be attended to. There is a choice to be made.....either decide to trust some other members again with limited moderation capabilities, or lose this forum to trolling and the inability for people to act like adults on the Internet.

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    I remember that, and I've noticed that many who posted when I first joined this forum, have since left.

    Maybe they still read, but they don't post. And at times, I can't say that I blame them.

    Notice the state forums stay self moderated. I attribute this to the fact that we hold meet ups within the states, and therefore the restrictions of meeting face to face are brought into the picture.

    Note that none of the trolls show up to any of the meets.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    Deriding an entire class of people based on the fact that they don't agree with your anarchist views does not exactly encourage open and honest discussion.
    Just because I don't buy into your tyranny does not equate to "anarchy," which, by the way, cannot exist.

    I will not engage in further discussion with you about this matter. Please take it elsewhere.
    God damn, that's childish.

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    Tomahawk wrote: Don't you wish there was a delete your own post option sometimes?

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    I rather well like a section of the forum being devoid of the iron fist.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    The so called "iron fist" is nonexistant throughout the entire forum.

    Note the civility that generally prevails in the state forums where the membership will frequently meet face to face.

    Note the lack of civility prevalent in the general discussion forum, where it is very unlikely the members of the "discussion" will ever meet face to face.

    It is only in the general discussion area that I would advocate moderation.

    Some people have a noted lack of self control.

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    Welcome to the internet. Nearly all GDD forums are free-for-alls.They don'tpermit racism and outright bigotry, threats, or extreme vulgarity, just like this board. Aside from that, it is a free-for-all, as it should be.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Welcome to the internet. Nearly all GDD forums are free-for-alls.They don'tpermit racism and outright bigotry, threats, or extreme vulgarity,
    More's the pity. If you seek the truth, you have to let people tell it to you.

    I am deeply curious about what people really think, not merely that which they are allowed to say.

    It may not make for good forum, but it's fantastic Sociology.

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    smoking357 wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    Welcome to the internet. Nearly all GDD forums are free-for-alls.They don'tpermit racism and outright bigotry, threats, or extreme vulgarity,
    More's the pity. If you seek the truth, you have to let people tell it to you.

    I am deeply curious about what people really think, not merely that which they are allowed to say.

    It may not make for good forum, but it's fantastic Sociology.
    As you've seen many times here, the truth always comes out, whether people intend it to or not.

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    thx? More like thmoron.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    The so called "iron fist" is nonexistant throughout the entire forum.

    Note the civility that generally prevails in the state forums where the membership will frequently meet face to face.

    Note the lack of civility prevalent in the general discussion forum, where it is very unlikely the members of the "discussion" will ever meet face to face.

    It is only in the general discussion area that I would advocate moderation.

    Some people have a noted lack of self control.
    That is presumptive. I wouldn't have a problem meeting face to face with the people I hate, any more than those I get along with.

    AssWaD would be, by far, the most entertaining.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    ixtow wrote:
    thx997303 wrote:
    The so called "iron fist" is nonexistant throughout the entire forum.

    Note the civility that generally prevails in the state forums where the membership will frequently meet face to face.

    Note the lack of civility prevalent in the general discussion forum, where it is very unlikely the members of the "discussion" will ever meet face to face.

    It is only in the general discussion area that I would advocate moderation.

    Some people have a noted lack of self control.
    That is presumptive. I wouldn't have a problem meeting face to face with the people I hate, any more than those I get along with.

    AssWaD would be, by far, the most entertaining.

    Maybe we can go to Starbucks on a Friday night and you can show me how to pick up all the hot chicks in the world. :quirky


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    AWDstylez wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    thx997303 wrote:
    The so called "iron fist" is nonexistant throughout the entire forum.

    Note the civility that generally prevails in the state forums where the membership will frequently meet face to face.

    Note the lack of civility prevalent in the general discussion forum, where it is very unlikely the members of the "discussion" will ever meet face to face.

    It is only in the general discussion area that I would advocate moderation.

    Some people have a noted lack of self control.
    That is presumptive. I wouldn't have a problem meeting face to face with the people I hate, any more than those I get along with.

    AssWaD would be, by far, the most entertaining.
    Maybe we can go to Starbucks on a Friday night and you can show me how to pick up all the hot chicks in the world. :quirky
    And maybe you can show me where you get these lies from. Is it a magic hat you wear?

    Probably not. You're just a ******.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    These responses are exactly what I'm talking about.

    I try to reason and present my opinion, and I get ridicule in return.

    This should illustrate my point quite well.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    These responses are exactly what I'm talking about.

    I try to reason and present my opinion, and I get ridicule in return.

    This should illustrate my point quite well.
    Some people live in the GD for a reason... Expect it from them here. They bring nothing else to the table anyway.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    And maybe you can show me where you get these lies from. Is it a magic hat you wear?

    Probably not. You're just a ******.

    Now thats a reply from a real mature adult!!

    <SARCASM>





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    I disagree with all of you! All of you are WRONG!!!! Mine is the only acceptable opinion!!

    SILENCE!!! I WILL KEEL YOU!!

    None of you can speak truth to me, because I already know the truth. The real truth. The actual truth!!

    Plus, I am theepitome, the consummate evader, the ne plus ultra straw-man polemicist.I can go on so many tangents you'll never even find your way back to the Milky Way galaxy, much less planet Earth.

    Insults? You cannot compare. Do you really think you have an insult I haven't heard before or leveled myself? The best you can do is somewhat approach my viciousness, my blood-drawing, scathing commentary on your very being. I can introvert you so bad, it will be weeksbefore you dare open the shutters you use to hide your souleven a crack!

    So, shut up and listen to ME!!

    (mmmmmphhh Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Sorry, I justcouldn't resist, fellas.)


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    thx997303 wrote:
    These responses are exactly what I'm talking about.

    I try to reason and present my opinion, and I get ridicule in return.

    This should illustrate my point quite well.
    You're a good guy. Relax a little and enjoy the humor, even if it's not always of the cordial manner. If you want serious discussion, self-moderate and just tell people to gtfo.

    What serious discussion could you possibly want that wouldn't be better suited to one of the more serious forum sections?

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    Carnivore wrote:
    And maybe you can show me where you get these lies from. Is it a magic hat you wear?

    Probably not. You're just a ******.

    Now thats a reply from a real mature adult!!

    <SARCASM>




    But the ladies LOVE him! He has to beat them off with a stick.


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    AWDstylez wrote:
    thx997303 wrote:
    These responses are exactly what I'm talking about.

    I try to reason and present my opinion, and I get ridicule in return.

    This should illustrate my point quite well.
    You're a good guy. Relax a little and enjoy the humor, even if it's not always of the cordial manner. If you want serious discussion, self-moderate and just tell people to gtfo.

    What serious discussion could you possibly want that wouldn't be better suited to one of the more serious forum sections?
    I'm afraid I may just have to do that. I'm not the only one who has called for a return of moderators.

    And of course, the calls have went unanswered.

    I do wish people would stop posting all of this non gun related detritus.

    I wonder, since the General Discussion forum is not truly for general discussion, as it is still supposed to be gun related, what's the point of the general discussion forum?

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    thx997303 wrote:
    I wonder, since the General Discussion forum is not truly for general discussion, as it is still supposed to be gun related, what's the point of the general discussion forum?
    That makes two of us.

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