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    Another one starts the long journey. Too bad he had to take all the bureaucratic steps first.

    I'm betting that the revolver comes home fairly soon, and that the wife will no longer be referring to it as "that thing". In fact, I'll bet she's the one who asks that it come home from the range.

    stay safe.

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    Skid,

    After five pages, he brought it back to the range and sold it back. Interesting story, fairly objective, the results are a little surprising but not entirely.

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    His next articleposted heremay be how his wife left him because he wound up with a safe full of guns and could not bear to part with them. Certainly hope not.Maybe she will come around as well.
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    Maybe someone could convince him to talk to people who have defended themselves. That might make another good "journalistic excercise."

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    "..send a piece of metal the size of a thimble hurtling through space with such speed that it could make someone's head explode"

    Really? Wow, exploding ammunition? I would have thought DC would never allow such a thing.

    His reaction to his first shots is over dramatic. I don't recall ever having taught anyone or been around anyone who had this sort of experience as he relates.

    This sort of attitude,mindset if you will,is so foreign to me. I cannot even imagine those thoughts going through my mind. When I buy a gun, it's no different that buying a drill or a hammer or saw. It's a tool with a purpose in life. It is not mystical, magical, or alien. It's a tool. Anti's read too much into it.

    I hope this writer never finds himself and his wife in a situation where they are looking at each other with eyes saying, "Where is it? Why didn't we keep it here?".

    Less than two weeks ago, my wife and I had a scare in our home in the wee hours of the morning. My G23 was a solid comfort for both of us, I can tell you.


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    I had a similar reaction when I first fired a 1911 in the Navy. Consider you having met someone like that

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    I really liked the comment reply by this poster.

    "Seriously, how many commenters here have Viagra/Cialis prescriptions?

    I guess if I couldn't get it up or ejaculate I'd have to own a gun too."
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    "Please allow me, sir, to express my deep admiration of the appendage you are evidently able to deploy for self-defense in place of a gun. You must be very proud. I am certain every lady you know feels safer in your presence than with nearly any other man.

    I admit that my own, personal johnson is pitifully inadequate for self-defense purposes.

    I agree with you that that women should be left defenseless, since they are anatomically unsuited for it. Plus, it makes them so much easier to subdue.

    It’s also true that the elderly and handicapped, regardless of size, do not deserve the right to self-defense, since their wang-fu will likely be inadequate for a variety of reasons. We don’t need such human rubbish, anyway.

    I admit, I’ve always found it disturbing that the police and military, being unable to find recruits of your mighty dimensions, instead must brand them as the puny weaklings they are by issuing handguns and rifles.

    Congratulations to you again, and I am sure we will hear more of your exploits as you defend your self, your family, your neighbors, and your nation with your wee-wee..

    I implore you to post the resulting news pictures."

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    "..send a piece of metal the size of a thimble hurtling through space with such speed that it could make someone's head explode"
    Buy duct tape futures. I use a roll every time I contemplate DC's gun laws, or the WP's take on gun rights. Given that misery loves company I'm not too unhappy that the grabbers are finding it useful too.

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    Well my first tow missile gave me a reaction like that.
    First chain gun also as I sliced an outhouse in half, but a
    single shot revolver, I would love to know what ++++P ammo
    they are loading for a 38 to do that.

    It is sad he didn't do any background work, could have gone to an OC
    outing in VA, and asked about the stupid DC laws, and had some background
    questions to put to the 'instructor' of the safety class for a better story.

    That the instructor would want him to waste half his ammo, with only
    6 rounds you had better use double tapping only.
    Did he use/practice with speed loaders?
    Should have done the story right, and purchased two pistols, a
    black one, and a dual tone of the same model, that way he could show how
    dumb they are in the district when only one could be owned or worse
    how both are banned.
    Bought the gun at a 'Gun Show' in VA, and prove there is no loophole
    in the law for the story would have also been nice addition.

    Would love a follow up story as he gets his ffl license and sells another
    DC resident his first gun.:what:

    But for the Post, it is almost a remarkably straight piece of reporting.
    But only an anti DC resident would go to anti maryland looking for a gun.









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    Probably a good thing he returned the weapon. In the alternative, he should have filed off the sights so that, while he was facing the BG and doing his philosophical analysis of the morality and implications of actually firing, etc; and the BG took it and shoved it up his a$$, it wouldn't hurt so much nor do as much damage.

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    And I can remember getting on a bus in DC with two unloaded pistols in plain sight, ammo in a bag and riding to the firing range. Of course, this was in 1961.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Probably a good thing he returned the weapon. In the alternative, he should have filed off the sights so that, while he was facing the BG and doing his philosophical analysis of the morality and implications of actually firing, etc; and the BG took it and shoved it up his a$$, it wouldn't hurt so much nor do as much damage.
    True that. It's people like him that end up gifting a gun to a criminal because they are afraid to touch it when the time comes. At least he gave it an effort.

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    Check the comments out. The pro-carry crowd outdoes the antis handily on approval ratings!

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    carracer wrote:
    I really liked the comment reply by this poster.

    "Seriously, how many commenters here have Viagra/Cialis prescriptions?

    I guess if I couldn't get it up or ejaculate I'd have to own a gun too."
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    "Please allow me, sir, to express my deep admiration of the appendage you are evidently able to deploy for self-defense in place of a gun. You must be very proud. I am certain every lady you know feels safer in your presence than with nearly any other man.

    I admit that my own, personal johnson is pitifully inadequate for self-defense purposes.

    I agree with you that that women should be left defenseless, since they are anatomically unsuited for it. Plus, it makes them so much easier to subdue.

    It’s also true that the elderly and handicapped, regardless of size, do not deserve the right to self-defense, since their wang-fu will likely be inadequate for a variety of reasons. We don’t need such human rubbish, anyway.

    I admit, I’ve always found it disturbing that the police and military, being unable to find recruits of your mighty dimensions, instead must brand them as the puny weaklings they are by issuing handguns and rifles.

    Congratulations to you again, and I am sure we will hear more of your exploits as you defend your self, your family, your neighbors, and your nation with your wee-wee..

    I implore you to post the resulting news pictures."
    LMFAO

    $833.69 to own a handgun in DC. Lemme guess, it took only half that to buy the gun itself, the rest was government taxes on the right.

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    N6ATF wrote:
    $833.69 to own a handgun in DC. Lemme guess, it took only half that to buy the gun itself, the rest was government taxes on the right.
    Worse than that. From the article:

    I settle on a used Taurus Model 85 .38-caliber revolver. I like it because it's just like the one I used during my instruction, though smaller. And at $275, it was a relatively cheap beginner's gun...
    Less than 1/3 of the total cost was for the gun. So over 2/3 of the cost was government interference. I wonder how large that percentage has to be before "infringed" kicks in?

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    TFred wrote:
    N6ATF wrote:
    $833.69 to own a handgun in DC. Lemme guess, it took only half that to buy the gun itself, the rest was government taxes on the right.
    Worse than that. From the article:

    I settle on a used Taurus Model 85 .38-caliber revolver. I like it because it's just like the one I used during my instruction, though smaller. And at $275, it was a relatively cheap beginner's gun...
    Less than 1/3 of the total cost was for the gun. So over 2/3 of the cost was government interference. I wonder how large that percentage has to be before "infringed" kicks in?

    TFred
    Yeah, I just got to that part.

    This article needs to be forwarded to Gura for future suit.

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    Yeah. Churches are not taxed, you don't need a permit nor to pay a fee to worship. Putting a tax stamp on newspapers has been tried here before by the previous management, which is a big part of why they are previous. And you don't need a special permit to report the news, or to get together with others to kvetch about the Government, etc.

    I'm good with firearms being taxed as merchandise, at the same rates as dry goods and groceries. And dealer transfer fees are a legit way for a dealer to make a buck, and we all should be cool with that; but the prob in DC is a lack of competition. If D.C. will throw roadblocks in the way of other dealers to compete with the one guy, then they are aiding and abetting a monopoly. Anything else and the DC Government loons would scream bloody murder. But guns? Cest' si bon.

    Probably the most deluded part of this boondoggle is taking a "ballistic fingerprint" of the firearm (GUNS GOTS FINGERS??? :what What utter futility. A rattail file, a little steel wool and even less ingenuity can COMPLETELY CHANGE the groove, extractor and ejector "tool marks" on cartridges fired with any weapon. This requirement is an utter waste of City money and police manpower. And hoodlums mostly use stolen arms anyway. But never mind, it sounds good. And everyone knows that Duke Ellington famously said: "If it SOUNDS good, it IS good!" Never mind he was talking about music and not political siren songs and scams.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    And hoodlums mostly use stolen arms anyway.
    Surely the "ballistic fingerprinting" can be used to return stolen guns found on suspects to the rightful owners!

    Yeah right, DC would "lose" the match paperwork, and throw the gun in the melt-down pile ASAP, if not charge the law-abiding owner/theft victim as an accomplice. DC has and will continue to do everything imaginable to screw law-abiding gun owners, as long as they are not held indefinitely in contempt of SCOTUS or executed for treason.

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    One thing that had me scratching my head was the dealer charging an extra fee to transfer it to the DC dealer. It wasn't shipped: the DC dealer went and picked it up. An FFL-to-FFL transfer is faster and simpler, involving less paperwork and no phone calls to NICS.

    Of course, it's really not all that puzzling: every FFL within driving distance of DC knows they have DC buyers over a barrel.


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    What a poor shmo! I'm glad he sold his gun - he was assigned to do this, found a new hobby but clearly is not strong and steady - I would not want to be his neighbor knowing he was armed with a gun.

    Then again, I don't want to be neighbors with anyone who is not sure that they would rather defend their lives and families compared with giving themselves up for the slaughter.

    Everyone at some point faces whether to be willing to kill in self-defense. Obviously, Gandhi and Mother Theresa expressed that they would rather die and have less karma than fight and/or kill in self-defense. Yet, it was also Gandhi who wrote that the most compassionate thing to do with a mad dog is to put it down - send it back because to let it live is to prolong its suffering. So, even Gandhi who wouldn't kill in self-defense, would kill in the name of compassion to end suffering -

    This article reminds me of the coarse wisdom in the admittedly silly puppet satire film "Team America" - at the end, the conclusion is that there are three types of people, Pusses, D*ks and Aholes. [* I've cleaned this up best I can but it's worth stating in some fashion - so here goes....]

    Aholes are the ones who are haters or are seeking to inflict violence on innocent people; jihadists, etc. Pusses are those like the journalist who wrote the WP article and are wondering if they would rather just let themselves be killed - they are into the philosophy of the matter without much real-world attachment to their own lives or the lives of their children. D*ks are those who are willing to take the hard line approach to self-defense, defense of family, community and nation - they don't mind taking on the Pusses or the Aholes if either are in their path to safety.

    If you carry lawfully, you are a D*k. Pusses don't like D*ks because we're willing to be responsible for our own safety and that of our families. Aholes don't like D*ks because we will resist violent attack violently. Aholes like to take advantage of Pusses and bully them and Pusses don't seem to mind. Problem is that Pusses and Aholes all want all D*ks to be Pusses and we won't and so we have a schism. :shock:

    Too bad there's no NICS check to see if a gun buyer is a Puss or an Ahole -



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    TatankaGap wrote:
    Everyone at some point faces whether to be willing to kill in self-defense. Obviously, Gandhi and Mother Theresa expressed that they would rather die and have less karma than fight and/or kill in self-defense. Yet, it was also Gandhi who wrote that the most compassionate thing to do with a mad dog is to put it down - send it back because to let it live is to prolong its suffering. So, even Gandhi who wouldn't kill in self-defense, would kill in the name of compassion to end suffering
    Ghandi's teachings are sort of an enigma to me. From what I can gather, his non-violence teachings were in regards to government violence against protesting subjects.
    Code:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~johnrpenner/Articles/Gandhi.html
    
    
    > COWARDICE IS WHOLLY INCONSISTENT WITH NON-VIOLENCE...
    NON-VIOLENCE PRESUPPOSES THE ABILITY TO STRIKE. (I-59)
    
    > A non-violent man or woman will and should die without retaliation,
    anger or malice, in self-defense or in defending the honour of their
    womenfolk. This is the highest form of bravery. If an individual or
    group of people are unable or unwilling to follow this great law of life,
    retaliation or resistance unto death is the second best, though a long
    way off from the first. Cowardice is impotence worse than violence.
    The coward desire revenge but being afraid to die, he looks to others,
    maybe to the government of the day, to do the work of defense for him.
    A coward is less than a man. He does not deserve to be a member of a
    society of men and women. (II-148).
    
    > If the people are not ready for the exercise of the non-violence of
    the brave, they must be ready for the use of force in self-defense.
    There should be no camouflage... It must never be secret. (II-146)
    
    > No doubt the non-violent way is alawys the best, but where
    that does not come naturally the violent way is both necessary
    and honourable. Inaction here is rank cowardice and unmanly.
    It must be shunned at all cost. (I-402)
    
    > He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour
    by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently
    dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.
    (I-77)[/quote]

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    And dealer transfer fees are a legit way for a dealer to make a buck, and we all should be cool with that;
    I disagree. There is no need for dealer transfer fees, or for that matter FFL licenses to exist at all. I don't blame the FFL dealers that have fees, I blame the government that forces people to use dealers to make transfers. I should be able to buy a modern gun from another state and have it shipped to my door just like one could do with a replica cap and ball revolver.

    The only tangible result of the FFL license system is to make gun ownership more difficult.

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    Felid`Maximus wrote:
    The only tangible result of the FFL license system is to make gun ownership more difficult.
    QFT

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