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    hey arizaona, you guys might wanna check this http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ress-students/

    this applies to us in that if this is successful and he indoctrinates kids, you then have to worry about your own blood turning you in for guns, voting, etc.



    But some parents won't be allowed to "opt-out" their kids everywhere. At least one school district, Tempe Elementary School District No. 3 in Arizona, is not permitting parents to pull their children out of class during Obama's speech.

    "I have directed principals to have students and teachers view the president's message on Tuesday," Superintendent of Schools Dr. Arthur Tate Jr. said in a statement Thursday. "In some cases, where technology will not permit access to the White House Web site, DVDs will be provided to classes on subsequent days. I am not permitting parents to opt out students from viewing the president's message, since this is a purely educational event."

    i saw this and wanted to make sure this got out.

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    Most of the bigger districts in Phoneix, and west glendale are opting out of requiring, as way too many parents called and raised hell.
    Wished knew how to disrupt a satellitte feed at some schools, it'd be ahoot to screw it up.

    I have friends who have grandkids, (like me their children are older) who are extending the kids stay over for labor day to wednesday so they won't be subject to this speech.
    heheh, trouble in paradise for the change guy.

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    I am sooooo glad I don't have any kids with all the sh!t going on.

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    Children have no place in current politics. They cannot vote, nor comprehend complex politics. I know many adults that still have problems understanding basic politics.

    I see no point to this other than to mold young minds, as they're very impressionable at that age.

    It is now more important than ever to spend time with your kids to help instill good beliefs in them.

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    didnt hitler do kind of the same thing? pass on to the next generation to keep his policies active after hes gone

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    John Wolver wrote:
    hey arizaona, you guys might wanna check this http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ress-students/

    this applies to us in that if this is successful and he indoctrinates kids, you then have to worry about your own blood turning you in for guns, voting, etc.



    But some parents won't be allowed to "opt-out" their kids everywhere. At least one school district, Tempe Elementary School District No. 3 in Arizona, is not permitting parents to pull their children out of class during Obama's speech.

    "I have directed principals to have students and teachers view the president's message on Tuesday," Superintendent of Schools Dr. Arthur Tate Jr. said in a statement Thursday. "In some cases, where technology will not permit access to the White House Web site, DVDs will be provided to classes on subsequent days. I am not permitting parents to opt out students from viewing the president's message, since this is a purely educational event."

    i saw this and wanted to make sure this got out.
    '... not permitting'? Who the hell does this assclown think he is? Those parents are taxpayers. He's got it freakin' backwards. No... it's an indoctrinational event. is this jerk elected/ un-elect him!

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    The government does not own your children. Parents have the right to take their kids out of school regardless of what the administrators say. How much worse are things going to get? I suppose next, a federal bill will create a new school program for youth called "The Spies." Your children will now be turning Mommy and Daddy into the thought police should you not fully support the President in all of his endeavors.



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    protector84 wrote:
    The government does not own your children. Parents have the right to take their kids out of school regardless of what the administrators say. How much worse are things going to get? I suppose next, a federal bill will create a new school program for youth called "The Spies." Your children will now be turning Mommy and Daddy into the thought police should you not fully support the President in all of his endeavors.

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    Pre war Germany and its neighbors had their children turning in parents for hiding jews and other persecuted peoples.
    Crazy indeed.
    Seems the move to do this is wavering big time, they figured out the people are getting tired of his majesty the magic president/mesiah

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    just wanted to pass it on. glad you all find it useful. yikes Arizona... damn that was bad spelling earlier. sorry was pissed as i read that article.

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    So what's next? Pledging alliegience to Obama himself? What arrogance. A narcissistic communist... whould'a thunk it?


    Obama’s classroom campaign: No junior lobbyist left behind
    By Michelle Malkin•September 2, 2009 05:02 AM


    Photoshop: ]http://thelcabroadside.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/school-indoctrination-obama-youth/]Leo Alberti[/url]

    My syndicated column today digs a little deeper into President Obama’s September 8 speech to schoolchildren. The school guides now featured front and center on the http://www.ed.gov website were developed by the White House Teaching Fellows — a group which includes several activist educators as you’ll see below.

    Downplaying academic achievement in favor of left-wing radical activism in the public schools is rooted in old neighborhood pal and Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers’ pedagogical philosophy. It was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge way when the two served as board members of the educational foundation — and it is the Washington Obama way now.

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    Obama’s classroom campaign: No junior lobbyist left behind
    by Michelle Malkin
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    “ABC” stands for All Barack’s Children. On September 8, young students across the country will be watching television. Yes, they’ll be parked in front of the boob tube and computer screens watching President Obama’s address on education.

    Instead of practicing cursive, reviewing multiplication tables, diagramming sentences, or learning something concrete, America’s kids will be lectured about the importance of learning. And then the schoolchildren, from pre-kindergarten through 12th grade, will be exhorted to Do Something — other than sit in their seats and receive academic instruction, that is.

    Education Secretary Arne Duncan dispatched letters to principals nationwide boasting that “This is the first time an American president has spoken directly to the nation’s school children about persisting and succeeding in school.” But the goal is not merely morale-boosting. According to White House event-related guides developed by the U.S. Department of Education’s Teaching Fellows, grade-school students will be told to “listen to the speech” and “could think about the following:”

    *What is the President trying to tell me?

    *What is the President asking me to do?

    *What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?


    • Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

    After the speech, teachers will ask students:

    *What do you think the President wants us to do?

    *Does the speech make you want to do anything?

    *Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?


    Obama’s White House Teaching Fellows include Chicago high school educator Xian Barrett, a fierce opponent of charter schools who founded a “Social Justice Club” and bussed students to protests and Michelle Bissonette, a Los Altos, Calif., teacher who is “focused on developing my leadership as a more culturally and racially conscious educator.”

    The activist tradition of government schools using students as junior lobbyists cannot be ignored. Zealous teacher’s unions have enlisted captive schoolchildren as letter-writers in their campaigns for higher education spending. Out-of-control activists have enlisted their secondary-school charges in pro-illegal immigration protests, gay marriage ceremonies, environmental propaganda stunts, and anti-war events.

    And last year’s presidential campaign saw disgraceful abuses of power by pro-Obama instructors. In New Rochelle, New York, elementary students were given an in-class assignment to color in drawings of Barack Obama – including a picture of a campaign button featuring his face and the slogan “Students for Obama 2008.”



    In Cumberland County, N.C., a fifth-grade-school teacher turned a “civics” discussion into an unhinged harangue against a girl who said her family supported John McCain.

    Nor can the Democrats’ strategy of using kiddie human shields to advance their legislative agenda be overlooked in the context and timing of Obama’s speech. Children have been front and center of the Left’s push for an ever-increasing government role in health care – from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s use of seventh-grader Baltimore school kid Graeme Frost to push for the massive S-CHIP entitlement expansion, to President Obama’s none-too-coincidental choice of Massachusetts 11-year-old town hall questioner Julia Hall (the daughter of a prominent Obama activist/organizer who assailed Obamacare critics’ “mean” signs), to the Kennedy family’s decision to put grandson Max Allen on center stage to pray for health care reform at his uncle’s funeral last week.

    So when the Department of Education directs schools to gather children ‘round the TV monitors for Obama’s pep talk and then do this…

    • Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily.

    • Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.


    …parents have every right to worry about their children being used as Political Guinea Pigs for Change.

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    Postscript: Stanley Kurtz’s invaluable investigation of the Obama/Ayers/Chicago Annenberg Challenge ties last fall is must-read. A very timely and relevant excerpt:



    The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago’s public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy.

    The CAC’s basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

    …The CAC’s agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers’s educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland’s ghetto.

    In works like “City Kids, City Teachers” and “Teaching the Personal and the Political,” Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist,” Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk’s, “Sixties Radicals,” at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

    …CAC translated Mr. Ayers’s radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with “external partners,” which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

    Mr. Obama once conducted “leadership training” seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama’s early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC’s in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.

    …Mr. Ayers is the founder of the “small schools” movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to “confront issues of inequity, war, and violence.” He believes teacher education programs should serve as “sites of resistance” to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his “Teaching Toward Freedom,” is to “teach against oppression,” against America’s history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

    The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming “guilt by association.” Yet the issue here isn’t guilt by association; it’s guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.

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    good post, thanks.

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    I completely agree.

    The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students. And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.

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    Its funny at the Peoria unified school district for the high schools they show it at 2:00. they get out of school at 2:20 and if you opt out you can leave early. I dont know about you but id rather just leave school early 20 minutes than do about anything in class.

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    Please keep discussion on OC, not other politics.

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    Pace wrote:
    Please keep discussion on OC, not other politics.
    hey pace, read my original post, i applied this to oc and gun rights period. L2R

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    It doesn't look like Obama is going to ask students to tell on the parents who own firearms, or who are doing other things like speaking out against health care reform. It looks like the text of the speech is about "doing good in school."

    Media Resources Prepared School Remarks
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    wrightme wrote:
    It doesn't look like Obama is going to ask students to tell on the parents who own firearms, or who are doing other things like speaking out against health care reform.* It looks like the text of the speech is about "doing good in school."

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    Haha, Yeah right, they've had quite a few days to revamp the whole thing, what a week or more. Sure and I've got ocean front property in Yuma Az. if you want some.
    Once the guns are gone, what we once called Freedom will be something in the past.
    IMO

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    Wrightme is correct. Regardless of what we think of President Obama's politics, this is simply a president addressing the nation's school children and the released text of the speech is not at all inappropriate and even seems inspiring in places. I might add that President Bush addressed our schoolchildren as well.

    Let's stick to criticizing politicians for their words and deeds that impact individual rights, especially the right to keep and bear arms and avoid these sensationalized attacks.

    So far,President Obama has refrained from seriously pushing gun control and his spokesman has even defended open carry near the president stating the "Arizona citizens do not lose their rights just because the president is in town." As long as he does not take a stand against gun rights, then he is better than 90% of the alternatives from both parties.

    Remember, we are a non-partisan, libertarian-minded, civil-rights group. Let's focus on those issues.

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    It doesn't look like Obama is going to ask students to tell on the parents who own firearms, or who are doing other things like speaking out against health care reform. It looks like the text of the speech is about "doing good in school."

    Media Resources Prepared School Remarks

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    At least one school district, Tempe Elementary School District No. 3 in Arizona, is not permitting parents to pull their children out of class during Obama's speech.
    I don't have any kids.

    But if I did, I'll be damned if some Superintendent or Principal is going to tell me if/when I can remove my kid from a school event such as this.

    If one is satisfied that Obamais only going to talk about "doing good in school," why not attend it WITH your kid and monitor the event?? Then, if Obama misspeaks, one will hear it first hand and be there to counter.

    Personally, I would not want such a socialist (or worse) speaking to my children - UNLESS maybe I (or a learned individual) has the opportunity to speak also.


    (Edited to refer to Obama.)

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    varminter22 wrote:
    At least one school district, Tempe Elementary School District No. 3 in Arizona, is not permitting parents to pull their children out of class during Obama's speech.
    I don't have any kids.

    But if I did, I'll be damned if some Superintendent or Principal is going to tell me if/when I can remove my kid from a school event such as this.*

    If one is satisfied the Kenyan is only going to talk about "doing good in school," why not attend it WITH your kid and monitor the event??* Then, if Hussein misspeaks, one will hear it first hand and be there to counter.* *

    Personally, I would not want such a socialist (or worse) speaking to my children - UNLESS maybe I (or a learned individual) has the opportunity to speak also.*

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    wrightme wrote:
    It doesn't look like Obama is going to ask students to tell on the parents who own firearms, or who are doing other things like speaking out against health care reform.* It looks like the text of the speech is about "doing good in school."

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    Thanks for the transcript. Skimmed through it, doesn't look like anything bad, just a "do good in school" thing.

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    varminter22 wrote:
    At least one school district, Tempe Elementary School District No. 3 in Arizona, is not permitting parents to pull their children out of class during Obama's speech.
    I don't have any kids.

    But if I did, I'll be damned if some Superintendent or Principal is going to tell me if/when I can remove my kid from a school event such as this.
    The local SD is allowing parents to specify that their children are to be otherwise engaged during the speech. But, after reading the text of the speech (did you read it?), I see no reason to disallow my son to watch.
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    hey look, this is after it has been changed. go back a week ago before all the outcries and critism, and you will see the truth and why people were worried. Dont go by what is being said now, go by what was said then, when i posted this. He has changed his tune because we bitched. So dont come bashing now, a week later. Think about what was going on before, when I posted this.

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    John Wolver wrote:
    hey look, this is after it has been changed. go back a week ago before all the outcries and critism, and you will see the truth and why people were worried. Dont go by what is being said now, go by what was said then, when i posted this. He has changed his tune because we bitched. So dont come bashing now, a week later. Think about what was going on before, when I posted this.
    Huh? Who is "bashing?"
    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin

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    ok, not so much bashing, but maybe bitching... either way.

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