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    Cop shoots fire chief in Ark. court over tickets Residents fed up with speed traps in tiny town that has seven officers

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    JERICHO[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jim/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image004.gif[/img], Ark. - It was just too much, having to return to court twice on the same day to contest yet another traffic ticket, and Fire Chief Don Payne didn't hesitate to tell the judge what he thought of the police and their speed traps.
    The response from cops? They shot him. Right there in court.
    Payne ended up in the hospital, but his shooting last week brought to a boil simmering tensions between residents of this tiny former cotton city and their police force. Drivers quickly learn to slow to a crawl along the gravel roads and the two-lane highway that run through Jericho, but they say sometimes that isn't enough to fend off the city ticketing machine.

    fire department[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jim/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image004.gif[/img] vehicles and saw its last business close its doors a few weeks ago.
    "You can't even buy a loaf of bread, but we've got seven police officers," said former resident Larry Harris, who left town because he said the police harassment became unbearable.
    Camping out along highway
    Sheriff's deputies patrolled Jericho until the 1990s, when the city received grant money to start its own police force, Martin said.
    Police often camped out in the department's two cruisers along the highway that runs through town, waiting for drivers who failed to slow down when they reached the 45 mph zone ringing Jericho. Residents say the ticketing got out of hand.
    "When I first moved out here, they wrote me a ticket for going 58 mph in my driveway," 75-year-old retiree Albert Beebe said.
    The frequent ticketing apparently led to the vandalization of the cruisers, and the department took to parking the cars overnight at the sheriff's office eight miles away.
    It was anger over traffic tickets that brought Payne to city hall last week, said his lawyer, Randy Fishman. After failing to get a traffic ticket dismissed on Aug. 27, police gave Payne or his son another ticket that day. Payne, 39, returned to court to vent his anger to Judge Tonya Alexander, Fishman said.
    It's unclear exactly what happened next, but Martin said an argument between Payne and the seven police officers who attended the hearing apparently escalated to a scuffle, ending when an officer shot Payne from behind.
    Bullet also hit another officer
    Doctors in Memphis, Tenn., removed a .40-caliber bullet from Payne's hip bone, Martin said. Another officer suffered a grazing wound to his finger from the bullet.
    Martin declined to name the officer who shot Payne, pending the outcome of an investigation. No charges have been filed, and it's unclear if the officer has been disciplined.
    Crittenden County prosecutors did not respond to a phone message seeking comment.
    Payne remains in good condition at the Regional Medical Center at Memphis. Payne referred questions to his lawyer.
    "I know that he was unarmed and I know he was shot," Fishman said. "None of that sounds too good for the city to me."

    After the shooting, Martin said police chief Willie Frazier told the sheriff's department he was disbanding the police force "until things calm down." The sheriff's department has been patrolling the town in the meantime.
    A call to a city hall number listed as Frazier's went to a fax machine. Frazier did not respond to a written request for comment sent to his office.
    Alexander, the judge, has voided all the tickets written by the department both inside the city and others written outside of its jurisdiction β€” citations that the department apparently had no power to write. Alexander, who works as a lawyer in West Memphis, did not return calls for comment.[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jim/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image005.gif[/img]
    Meanwhile, sheriff's deputies want to know where the money from the traffic fines went.
    Martin said that it appeared the $150 tickets weren't enough to protect the city's finances. Sheriff's deputies once had to repossess one of the town's police cruisers for failure to pay on a lease, and the state Forestry Commission recently repossessed one of the city's fire trucks because of nonpayment.
    City hall has been shuttered since the shooting, and any records of how the money was spent are apparently locked inside. No one answered when a reporter knocked on the door on Tuesday.
    Mayor Helen Adams declined to speak about the shooting when approached outside her home, saying she had just returned from a doctor's appointment and couldn't talk.
    "We'll get with you after all this comes through," Adams said Tuesday before shutting the door.
    A white Ford Crown Victoria[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Jim/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image004.gif[/img] sat in her driveway with "public property" license plates. A sales brochure advertising police equipment sat in the back seat of the car.

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    Wow, just wow.
    “The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.” — Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    Sounds a little like Hazzard County over there.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Fire Chief Don Payne for Mayor.

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    OK, your being WAY too critical :whatf these missunderstood law enforcement professionals. ....oh wait what am I saying...... Crooked cops are everywhere.
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    I read that article last night in aww. That seems to be a shorter one than the one that I read though (unless the coffee hasn't kicked in yet). I didn't see the part stating that this is a town of 175 that has 9 (nine) police officers! That is incredible to me. THe Sheriff's office is more than enough to patrol this one horse town.
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the fool's heart to the left."

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    And they say Guns should not be allowed in the court house for self defense!

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    pvtschultz wrote:
    I read that article last night in aww. That seems to be a shorter one than the one that I read though (unless the coffee hasn't kicked in yet). I didn't see the part stating that this is a town of 175 that has 9 (nine) police officers! That is incredible to me. THe Sheriff's office is more than enough to patrol this one horse town.
    From the article above.

    You can't even buy a loaf of bread, but we've got seven police officers," said former resident Larry Harris, who left town because he said the police harassment became unbearable.
    But even seven for 175 people!!!!!!!:what::celebrate



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    I wonder if there is any video of the incident.

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    Just goes to show what "Mandatory Training" does for you.

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    J.Gleason wrote:
    Just goes to show what "Mandatory Training" does for you.
    what would have happened if the 175 people in that town, would killed those cops, disposed of thier bodies, and made out like aliens took them ??? or beaten them so severely, that they could no longer do their jobs. 9 against 175 , those odds SUCK BADLY for the cops...for many years now, the American people have allowed the the evil, crookedshepards that number few, to lead the great populations that are many. Someday , maybe soon, the sheep will turn of the shepards& devour them.
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    There is a federal "Anti-speedtrap law" of that is sometimes used to shut down police departments like this. I believe it states that if 20% or more of the towns income comes from moving infractions it is considered an illegal speed trap.

    I have also found that federal laws dictate on how speed limits must be determined, and this survey needs to be done at least once in every 5-year period or the posted speed limit is considered a capricious, invented numeric posting with no scientific backing and is therefore unenforcable.

    Here is a little tidbit for you guys that got an undeserved citation, if you got a well deserved ticket, try to get the fine lowered and take a plea bargain so you do not piss off the judge prior to someone trying their case that was wrongfuly ticketed.

    How should speed limits be set?
    Traffic engineers maintain that speed limits should be established according to the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic. This means the limit should be set at a level at or under which 85 percent of people are driving. Numerous studies have shown that the 85th percentile is the safest possible level at which to set a speed limit.

    So if 85% of the people traveling the roadway are traveling 37MPH, the speed limit must be upped to the nearest 5MPH increment therfore making it 40 MPH. Anyhting less is against federal and state laws.


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    jwayne972 wrote: return fire, massively..... plain clothes, unmarked vehile, guys with guns ..... yup...me be opening fire...
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    Holy Crap :shock::shock::shock:

    I thought Stoddard had cop problems in the past, nothing compared to this.

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    Glock34 wrote:
    jwayne972 wrote: return fire, massively..... plain clothes, unmarked vehicle, guys with guns ..... yup...me be opening fire...
    +1, but three against one is a bad bet. At the same time, the outcomewas as bad as it gets... The real crapper about a story like this is that the bad cops even if fired, will just move on to the next town, and become a cop all over again. We see it all the time in Wisconsin. The Cop that let Jeff Damher take Sinthasomphone back to his Apt. was fired. No big deal. Getfired in Milwaukee, get a new job in Grafton (yes, Joseph Gabrish is in Grafton now, and he has higher rank!). And I am expected to respect cops... Sure...

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    Nutczak wrote:
    against federal and state laws.
    OCDO Rule 7) citation please.

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    jwayne972 wrote: return fire, massively..... plain clothes, unmarked vehicle, guys with guns ..... yup...me be opening fire...
    +1, but three against one is a bad bet. At the same time, the outcomewas as bad as it gets... The real crapper about a story like this is that the bad cops even if fired, will just move on to the next town, and become a cop all over again. We see it all the time in Wisconsin. The Cop that let Jeff Damher take Sinthasomphone back to his Apt. was fired. No big deal. Getfired in Milwaukee, get a new job in Grafton (yes, Joseph Gabrish is in Grafton now, and he has higher rank!). And I am expected to respect cops... Sure...
    I see 3 guys coming at me, the Saiga12 TACTICAL( russian Made assault 12 gAUGE Shotgun ) with 10 round stick mags -get's unleashed , It's basically a really cool looking AK47 Shotgun. 3" mag OO Buck, will clear / mowdowna lot of people, realy quick like. Charles Bronson would have used it in Death Wish 7, but he died before it could be made.
    http://youtu.be/xWgVGu3OR4U AACFI, Wisconsin / Minnesota Carry Certified. Action Pistol & Advanced Action pistol concepts + Urban Carbine course. When the entitlement Zombies begin looting, pillaging, raping, burning & killing..remember HEAD SHOTS it's the only way to kill a Zombie. Stockpile food & water now.

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    September 04, 2009 No charges for cop who shot fire chief in back, in court A police officer in Jericho, AR shot the town's fire chief in court. The fire chief was complaining to the judge about the ticket-happy ways of the Jericho PD. A scuffle ensued and one of the seven police officers at the hearing shot the fire chief from behind. Amazingly, the prosecutor says the shooter won't be charged, but the victim might be:
    Martin declined to name the officer who shot Payne. It's unclear if the officer has been disciplined.
    Prosecutor Lindsey Fairley said Thursday that he didn't plan to file any felony charges against the officer or Payne. Fairley, reached at his home, said Payne could face a misdemeanor charge stemming from the scuffle, but that would be up to the city's judge. He said he didn't remember the name of the officer who fired the shot.
    Payne remains in good condition at the Regional Medical Center at Memphis. He referred questions to his lawyer.
    "I know that he was unarmed and I know he was shot," Fishman said. "None of that sounds too good for the city to me."
    After the shooting, Martin said police chief Willie Frazier told the sheriff's department he was disbanding the police force "until things calm down." The sheriff's department has been patrolling the town in the meantime. [AP]
    Typical cover up, and now there is a possibility that the fire chief will be charged!

    I hope he owns the town after he sues and fires them all. They deserve it. Including the judge for not stepping up and refering the officer to the DA for charges.

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    McX wrote:
    Man, the world just continues to erode around us. The Law becomes the lawless. The government is fading, our once great nation is in shambles, and the band played on........................
    I think if thingscontinue to go down hill& I have no reason to thinkthey won't, Soon the Band will be playing a different tune, maybe Yankee doodle dandy. The American people will only sit still for so long( i hope i am right about that ) we don't call them sheep for nothing.:?
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    Damn, guy. I hope so. I'm counting on it for the future of my children. Not anything like they taught us growing up- these days. Looking around I see alot of cattle, but few bulls. If a bull is found, they castrate him immediately. This pioneering, adventerous spirit that founded our country is being cut down, and soft sold on tv commeicials now. I think it realy started to roll when the yuppies showed up. Anger management anyone?
    This is my Anger Management device
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