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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...1:b27548248:z0



    SAN MARCOS, Texas— Police in Texas say a group of teenagers were trying to break into a home when a resident opened fire and killed two of the youths.

    San Marcos Police Chief Howard Williams says the shootings happened shortly before 2 a.m. Friday. He says two 16-year-olds died and a third teenager was seriously wounded.

    Another teen was unharmed and arrested in the shootings that were about 30 miles south of Austin.

    Authorities declined to release the teenagers' identities but say the two killed were from Luling, about 20 miles from San Marcos.

    Williams says police responded to a call of a home invasion and shots fired.

    Authorities say the three people who were home at the time were not injured.
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    You'd think after Joe Horn was acquitted for shooting buglers stealing his neighbor's stuff, the crooks would learn to not break into houses in Texas.

    Guess not.

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    Wonder if the two surviving apprentice criminals will rethink their career choices.

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    TFred wrote:
    You'd think after Joe Horn was acquitted for shooting buglers stealing his neighbor's stuff, the crooks would learn to not break into houses in Texas.

    Guess not.
    BIG difference here. They probably wanted the guns.

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    HankT wrote:
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    You'd think after Joe Horn was acquitted for shooting buglers stealing his neighbor's stuff, the crooks would learn to not break into houses in Texas.

    Guess not.
    BIG difference here. They probably wanted the guns.

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    Maybe their motive was different, but if they knew there were gun owners in the house, seems to me they were even more stupid than I first thought!

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    TFred wrote:
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    TFred wrote:
    You'd think after Joe Horn was acquitted for shooting buglers stealing his neighbor's stuff, the crooks would learn to not break into houses in Texas.

    Guess not.
    BIG difference here. They probably wanted the guns.

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    Maybe their motive was different, but if they knew there were gun owners in the house, seems to me they were even more stupid than I first thought!
    Not really stupid. These guys came equipped with a handgun according to the police report (and two pellet guns). Presumably they figured they would need to use them.

    But the robbers here were not competent enough to do the job. The home defender was much better at deploying a firearm than the robbers. He did what he had to and did it very well, even according to the detail-sparse accounts available so far. Kudos to him. Though there are some unanswered questions about whether the thieves might have been prior visitors.

    This differs from the Joe Horn case where the robbers were unarmed. The robbers, remember, were running like rabbits when they got shot by Horn. They did not want to fight--they wanted to run. Horn caught a break on that deal.






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    Criminals aren't generally very smart. Given that the homeowner typically has the tactical advantage (he knows the terrain, and he's presumably ready for anything, otherwise, he wouldn't have a gun in the first place).

    If these idiots *were* prior visitors to the house, and they KNEW the occupants had guns, this makes them even more stupid than your typical brand of idiot because they broke in when the occupants were home.

    I think what we need is something akin to the way fighter pilots recorded their kills on the side of their planes. Make appropriate window stickers to serve as a warning to other idiots that everyone that has come before is now just a sticker on the window.



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    jsimmons wrote:
    I think what we need is something akin to the way fighter pilots recorded their kills on the side of their planes.* Make appropriate window stickers to serve as a warning to other idiots that everyone that has come before is now just a sticker on the window.

    Lmfao, I agree everyone should do this.

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    med9044 wrote:
    jsimmons wrote:
    I think what we need is something akin to the way fighter pilots recorded their kills on the side of their planes. Make appropriate window stickers to serve as a warning to other idiots that everyone that has come before is now just a sticker on the window.

    Lmfao, I agree everyone should do this.
    This makes no sense whatsoever.

    There are about 120 million households in this country. Not very many would ever have even one "kill" sticker in the window, much less more than one. The numbers would be miniscule.

    I don't think jsimmons has thought this idea through very well.







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    HankT wrote:
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    jsimmons wrote:
    I think what we need is something akin to the way fighter pilots recorded their kills on the side of their planes.* Make appropriate window stickers to serve as a warning to other idiots that everyone that has come before is now just a sticker on the window.

    Lmfao, I agree everyone should do this.
    This makes no sense whatsoever.

    There are about 120 million households in this country. Not very many would ever have even one "kill" sticker in the window, much less more than one.* The numbers would be miniscule.

    I don't think jsimmons has thought this idea through very well.
    *ROFL! I used to do that with cats, possum, etc years ago. Pic of the critter on the fender and then a check mark after for each one that suicided under my car LOL.

    On another note for Hank, the above attempt involved humor and it actually is pretty funny too.

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    I cant help but to think that events like this is just "Life" weeding out the "stupid" and cleaning out the gene-pool!

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    How can you folks be so obtuse? Can't you see those poor lads were suffering from sudden acute victim selection failure?

    All joking aside, I'm glad there are less malignancies in society, good riddance.
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    I wonder if we can send this guy a box of ammo?
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I really can't take such a calloused view of things, yes what they did was wrong and it took their lives but I still have pity for them. It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals. Killing a criminal doesn't stop these problems.



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    FunkTrooper wrote:
    I really can't take such a calloused view of things, yes what they did was wrong and it took their lives but I still have pity for them. It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals. Killing a criminal doesn't stop these problems.

    It stopped at least two of them...permanently

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    It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals.
    Frankly, if they're breaking into my home, I couldn't care less what led them to do it. My family's safety trumps any consideration I might have for the attackers.

    I know they made a whole string of choices that ended with them commiting a violent felony. The choices were theirs. The responsibility is theirs.

    Armed home invasion is a dangerous profession.

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    It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals.
    What led them down their path was parental and cultural views that robbery is an acceptable behavior, and what needs to be done to stop it is decorate main street with gang members heads on pikes.

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    I concur. Justice quickly executed (no pun intended) is a very effective deterrent. When the end result is dragged out over months and years, then it is of no account except to finally remove the villian from society. The deaths of these young idiots is big news here and definitely sent a message that counts.

    I pity them. The most guilty here aren't the boys that paid with their lives, it's the egg-sucking liberal dogs that let them get away with more and more as time went by. Thispermissiveness garbage led these boys to an early death.



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    FunkTrooper wrote:
    I really can't take such a calloused view of things, yes what they did was wrong and it took their lives but I still have pity for them. It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals. Killing a criminal doesn't stop these problems.

    What would you suggest?

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    Japle wrote:
    It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals.
    Frankly, if they're breaking into my home, I couldn't care less what led them to do it. My family's safety trumps any consideration I might have for the attackers.

    I know they made a whole string of choices that ended with them commiting a violent felony. The choices were theirs. The responsibility is theirs.

    Armed home invasion is a dangerous profession.
    I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger to defend myself or others but I don't think as others that killing an intruder will stop crime as a whole. I think getting government out of our lives would be a step in the right direction, capitalizing public schools are a good example.

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    FunkTrooper wrote:
    Japle wrote:
    It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals.
    Frankly, if they're breaking into my home, I couldn't care less what led them to do it. My family's safety trumps any consideration I might have for the attackers.

    I know they made a whole string of choices that ended with them commiting a violent felony. The choices were theirs. The responsibility is theirs.

    Armed home invasion is a dangerous profession.
    I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger to defend myself or others but I don't think as others that killing an intruder will stop crime as a whole. I think getting government out of our lives would be a step in the right direction, capitalizing public schools are a good example.
    It's easier to kill criminals than it is to get government out of our lives! We should probably just take the clean up America thing one step at a time. You know, don't set your goals too high, or you're more destined to fail. So lets just go 1 or in this case 2 criminals at a time until we work our way up to the big fish that are ruining this country..

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    FunkTrooper wrote:
    I really can't take such a calloused view of things, yes what they did was wrong and it took their lives but I still have pity for them. It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals. Killing a criminal doesn't stop these problems.

    I can.

    Someone breaks into my home while I am there, they will face the consequences. The only pity in this is that their parents will not be punished for their failures.

    Most folks are gone for many hours a day. When you break into a home with occupants and you are armed, that says you are prepared to kill the occupants. We are just lucky that the good guy in this case was prepared and struck first.

    Plain and simple, armed robbery is a dangerous profession. You go down that road, you face the consequences. You really want to stop this?

    1 - Make it more of a public spectacle when these things happen.

    2 - Make it so that more law abiding Americans can carry in more places so that they can exercise their 2A and defend themselves.:celebrate

    Problem with crime right now is that there are so few places you can carry, and so many restrictions (not to mention reciprocity, and different rules in different states). Let the people protect themselves and their families, crime will go down.

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    ocgso wrote:
    FunkTrooper wrote:
    I really can't take such a calloused view of things, yes what they did was wrong and it took their lives but I still have pity for them. It makes me wonder what led them down that path because that is what we need to get rid of if we want to stop criminals. Killing a criminal doesn't stop these problems.

    I can.

    Someone breaks into my home while I am there, they will face the consequences. The only pity in this is that their parents will not be punished for their failures.

    Most folks are gone for many hours a day. When you break into a home with occupants and you are armed, that says you are prepared to kill the occupants. We are just lucky that the good guy in this case was prepared and struck first.

    Plain and simple, armed robbery is a dangerous profession. You go down that road, you face the consequences. You really want to stop this?

    1 - Make it more of a public spectacle when these things happen.

    2 - Make it so that more law abiding Americans can carry in more places so that they can exercise their 2A and defend themselves.:celebrate

    Problem with crime right now is that there are so few places you can carry, and so many restrictions (not to mention reciprocity, and different rules in different states). Let the people protect themselves and their families, crime will go down.
    I agree with number 2 and about those restrictions, just don't follow them concealed carry isn't allowed on my college campus but I still carry anyway, I'm sure if more criminals knew that people like us ignored gun free zones maybe they wouldn't be the death traps they are today.

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    HankT wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    HankT wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    You'd think after Joe Horn was acquitted for shooting buglers stealing his neighbor's stuff, the crooks would learn to not break into houses in Texas.

    Guess not.
    BIG difference here. They probably wanted the guns.

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=31035
    Maybe their motive was different, but if they knew there were gun owners in the house, seems to me they were even more stupid than I first thought!
    Not really stupid. These guys came equipped with a handgun according to the police report (and two pellet guns). Presumably they figured they would need to use them.

    But the robbers here were not competent enough to do the job. The home defender was much better at deploying a firearm than the robbers. He did what he had to and did it very well, even according to the detail-sparse accounts available so far. Kudos to him. Though there are some unanswered questions about whether the thieves might have been prior visitors.

    This differs from the Joe Horn case where the robbers were unarmed. The robbers, remember, were running like rabbits when they got shot by Horn. They did not want to fight--they wanted to run. Horn caught a break on that deal.




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    FunkTrooper wrote:
    I agree with number 2 and about those restrictions, just don't follow them concealed carry isn't allowed on my college campus but I still carry anyway, I'm sure if more criminals knew that people like us ignored gun free zones maybe they wouldn't be the death traps they are today.
    I work on a college campus. Problem is that if you get caught you give the rest of us a bad rep.

    Also, it is different in different states, but in NC if I take my gun to work and get caught (even in defense of myself or others) it is a felony. That means I will lose my 2A right, and then I won't be able to defend myself anywhere. Not at home, not at work, not on vacation.......

    We have 13 buildings and 2 deputies on my campus. Not exactly good odds if someone comes in and starts shooting.

    my 2 cents....

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