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Legal to carry w/ an armed guard license on an unarmed site?

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If you're employed by a private security contracting agency, and you have your armed guard card, is it legal to carry while on duty, if you're site is specifically mentioned as an "unarmed site"?
 
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Depends on the state or municipality. There are some places where the duty weapon is not personally owned but kept at the employer's or client's location. In those situations they issue it when you report for duty. Look into the Heller case circumstances for instance to see how state and local laws have an impact on this situation. It is a mess.

As someone mentioned earlier, insurance companies are heavily involved in thisprocess due to liability issues. This is one reason that so many companies prefer hiring off-duty officers or even arranging their "security services" through anoffice of the PD itself. In many instances the PD even handles billing and scheduling of staff, includingsupervisors.
 
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Legal vs permitted by the security company are two different things. If it is specifically an "unarmed" site, then you can probably expect to eb disciplined or terminated if your company fionds you armed when you are not supposed to be. Usually if it's an "unarmed" site, that is the contract with the site and is not optional.
 
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Aaron1124 wrote:
If you're employed by a private security contracting agency, and you have your armed guard card, is it legal to carry while on duty, if you're site is specifically mentioned as an "unarmed site"?
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I've been asking myself the same question. Most guards I've spoken with have stated they'd rather be disciplined or be fired,than DEAD.
 
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jbone wrote:
Aaron1124 wrote:
If you're employed by a private security contracting agency, and you have your armed guard card, is it legal to carry while on duty, if you're site is specifically mentioned as an "unarmed site"?
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I've been asking myself the same question. Most guards I've spoken with have stated they'd rather be disciplined or be fired,than DEAD.
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Then again, a security guard willingly takes a position as being unarmed.
 
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Does not matter if the law says it is legal.

If a guard accepts the position as "unarmed" and then carries while working in the "unarmed" position he has violated the conditions of employment and is subject to disciplinary action from his employer. Does not matter if the law says it is legal.
 
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Trigger Dr wrote:
Does not matter if the law says it is legal.

If a guard accepts the position as "unarmed" and then carries while working in the "unarmed" position he has violated the conditions of employment and is subject to disciplinary action from his employer. Does not matter if the law says it is legal.
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That goes for any employee of any agency that restricts their employees of carrying.
 
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Aaron1124 wrote:
Trigger Dr wrote:
Does not matter if the law says it is legal.

If a guard accepts the position as "unarmed" and then carries while working in the "unarmed" position he has violated the conditions of employment and is subject to disciplinary action from his employer. Does not matter if the law says it is legal.
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That goes for any employee of any agency that restricts their employees of carrying.
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Yes
 
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A Guard can make the choices: Get trained up on other none lethal devices and carry those, they can canqiut if not comfortable being unarmed in some of the shit holes that guard services will send them, or, violate the contract/employer and carry in areas that warrant it for safety.

A guard is a private citizen with the right to protect themselves. Your supervisor is not going to show up and search you or your vehicle, you would have to give consent for that. So, in those area's you guard where everyone one has a weapon except you!it's an individual choice.

 
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see, this is what i mean. everyone is always looking for some excuse to carry when they obviously arent suppose to. most gun owners are dumb hillbilly faqqots. a weapon like a sword, that actually takes skill to use is much more badas$
 
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U8Dust wrote:
see, this is what i mean. everyone is always looking for some excuse to carry when they obviously arent suppose to. most gun owners are dumb hillbilly faqqots. a weapon like a sword, that actually takes skill to use is much more badas$
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Troll.
 
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U8Dust wrote:
see, this is what i mean. everyone is always looking for some excuse to carry when they obviously arent suppose to. most gun owners are dumb hillbilly faqqots. a weapon like a sword, that actually takes skill to use is much more badas$
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Man, I needed a good laugh. Thanks.
 
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Aaron1124 wrote:
Too bad it's illegal to actually carry one if you don't have your armed guard license.
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Did you find a law saying it wasilegal?
 
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found this yesterday, made me a believer.

RCW 18.170.160 Licenses required — Use of public law enforcement insignia prohibited — Penalties — Enforcement.
(4) After June 30, 1992, a person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he or she performs the functions and duties of an armed private security guard in this state unless the person holds a valid armed private security guard license issued by the department.
 
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Aaron1124 wrote:
Too bad it's illegal to actually carry one if you don't have your armed guard license.
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And not just carry. It is illegal to have on your persons, in a bag, or in your vehicle if any of those listed are on the site you are currently employed as security at.

Example: You park your car in the business parking lot. It is considered on site and with in your control. Illegal.

Example 2: You park at the public parking lot across the street from your posted site. It is off site property and deemed not in your control. Legal.

This came into play when one of my security officers was going through LEO Academy and it begun right after his shift at work. He needed his firearm since he had to go right to academy, we did some digging and found as long as parked his vehicle off client property it was okay.
 
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David.Car wrote:
Aaron1124 wrote:
Too bad it's illegal to actually carry one if you don't have your armed guard license.
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And not just carry. It is illegal to have on your persons, in a bag, or in your vehicle if any of those listed are on the site you are currently employed as security at.

Example: You park your car in the business parking lot. It is considered on site and with in your control. Illegal.

Example 2: You park at the public parking lot across the street from your posted site. It is off site property and deemed not in your control. Legal.

This came into play when one of my security officers was going through LEO Academy and it begun right after his shift at work. He needed his firearm since he had to go right to academy, we did some digging and found as long as parked his vehicle off client property it was okay.
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I still think it's B.S. that the state regulates carrying while on the job. It should be left up to the discretion of the employer. I use to work Security for a private business... I always carried while I was on duty, and I don't have a guard license at all.
 
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