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    Well, I know a good amount of people showed interest in going to another Warren Picnic, this time at the fountain. Can anyone confirm that the fountain area actually has a park of some sort for us to actually go? I don't know if there's any public places where we can actually hold this at the fountain or not, and the last thing I want to do is get us in some sort of trouble, because i 'thought' there was a park there, but it only turned out to be a large patch of grass (lol).

    Also, do you guys think it'll be necessary to contact the Warren police and notify them that we're all OCing, when it's right on their back door? (Sorry, I couldn't resist the sarcasm.)
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    I went to a free BOC concert/fair there a couple years ago. It seems to be pretty darn public.

    Might not be able to grill there, I don't know. I don't believe there are standing BBQ grills there like at the park, and it's definitely possible that they have ordinances about where you can BBQ on public property.

    I like the meet by the fountain idea, but I'm more interested in litter clean ups. What I would especially enjoy is to meet by the fountain, then go clean litter. Since we can already assume based on the past that the police will want to monitor us, we should invite them to help. :celebrate
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    That might not be a bad idea. There were some thoughts that their presence was trying to 'contain us' at the park. If we're out and walking, they'll have to think of other ways.

    It might not be a bad idea to do an adopt a highway too in the future. We could get our name out on a sign too, "Sponsored by Michigan Open Carry", and ultimately, that could work in our favor as advertisement.
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    I've been to the fountain with my kids and there are no grills there and I dont think you can bring one there...

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    wife and I will go .time?Weare in.

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    will need better direction than "by the fountain" but count me in +1

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    It looks like at the moment, having a fountain picnic in the heart of Warren won't be a possibility. I'm trying to gather some information about the Pit in Lapeer to see if it wouldn't be possible to have a picnic/shoot there, but I've never been there, so I need some help to determine if it's at all possible. Either way, I'd love to go to the range with some of the great guys I met yesterday.
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    If it isn't widely known yet, I'm not a big fan at all of litter pick ups. I'd much rather sit on my fat a$$ and eat a hot dog. However, I think that in the case of the now named fountain walk, it is a good idea. Since there are no grills, since it's not necesarrily the best place for a picnic, we can meet up and do an hour of litter pick up around town hall, the police station and the 37th district court, then maybe meet down the road and have lunch.

    I would expect this time however, since we'd literally be on their front door step, that they may step up their efforts and harassment. This would be great for a smaller group, or several small groups, hopefully with a dedicated cameraman. I don't see anyone getting drawn upon, but I could see them stopping everyone with some BS RAS.

    I'm all for it and it doesn't have to be a big planned event, just gather when we can

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    Cykes, I do believe everyone knows you don't like litter cleaning. SOOOO, my suggestion would be that you collect a few bucks from everyone before the litter clean up, then go get a few Pizzas and drinks, and maybe some moist towelettes or any good means to clean our hands (because obviously litter is gross, yuck) and then we can eat pizza on the the front lawn of the PD.

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    Not a bad suggestion, but I don't think I want to miss this one :P I think this might be one of most effective litter clean ups if we do it, and I'm all for that. Set a meet time, 15 mins before the clean up, set a one hour clean up time, then meet back for lunch. Short, relatively quick and I think pizza on the lawn isn't a bad idea either :P

    I could probably talk the wife into bringing it. I'm ok with cheapo 5 dollar pizzas too. Not that little caesar crap, but grinderz makes a very decent 5 dollar pizza.

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    Im not up on all the rules of OC but im wondering what the law is concerning schools and day care centers in regards to OC.

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    I'll assume you're asking because of the childcare center there across from town hall?

    With a CPL, legally, you're fine, unless they ask you to leave, as I'm sure it's private property. So as long as you stay off their premises you will be fine.

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    thats why i asked, we know how the Warren Pd is and IMO we really need to have our ducks in a row if we decide to do this on their front porch. Just being careful thats all.

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    Understood, but we're in clear

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    FatboyCykes wrote:
    Understood, but we're in clear
    There is nothing to worry about. We're not going inside the buildings anyways. As for child care facilities we're not going inside one but as far as I know the child facilities PFZ deals with concealed carry. Concealed you are allowed in the parking lot. There's no schools there so no worries about that. I will definitely be there for this one. As for small groups. The size of the group doesnt matter this is a large area and it's not like we're going to have 100 people. Though a 100+ would be nice No need to scale it down.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    FatboyCykes wrote:
    Understood, but we're in clear
    There is nothing to worry about. We're not going inside the buildings anyways. As for child care facilities we're not going inside one but as far as I know the child facilities PFZ deals with concealed carry. Concealed you are allowed in the parking lot. There's no schools there so no worries about that. I will definitely be there for this one. As for small groups. The size of the group doesnt matter this is a large area and it's not like we're going to have 100 people. Though a 100+ would be nice No need to scale it down.

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    Nope, childcare facilities are a PFZ for OC w/o a CPL.
    750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.

    Sec. 234d.
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.

    (b) A church or other house of religious worship.

    (c) A court.

    (d) A theatre.

    (e) A sports arena.

    (f) A day care center.

    (g) A hospital.

    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

    (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:

    (a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.

    (b) A peace officer.

    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

    (d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

    (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.
    But we are good

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    FatboyCykes wrote:
    Childcare facilities are a PFZ for OC w/o a CPL.
    750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.

    Sec. 234d.
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

    (a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.

    (b) A church or other house of religious worship.

    (c) A court.

    (d) A theatre.

    (e) A sports arena.

    (f) A day care center.

    (g) A hospital.

    (h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

    (2) This section does not apply to any of the following:

    (a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.

    (b) A peace officer.

    (c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

    (d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

    (3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.
    But we are good with CPL's
    Fixed (just made it more clear is all)

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    If we decide to go through with this, I imagine it would be a good idea that EVERYONE have their CPL, and everyone discloses, upon first contact with LEO's, regardless of whether we're OCing or not. I can almost guarantee that the police will be hassling us if we're even remotely giving them a hard time, and will do EVERYTHING in their power to bust us with something ridiculous, and I don't want us all to end up like TheSzerdi, boned for abiding the law. A picnic is one thing, eating pizza on their front lawn is another.
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    malignity wrote:
    If we decide to go through with this, I imagine it would be a good idea that EVERYONE have their CPL, and everyone discloses, upon first contact with LEO's, regardless of whether we're OCing or not. I can almost guarantee that the police will be hassling us if we're even remotely giving them a hard time, and will do EVERYTHING in their power to bust us with something ridiculous, and I don't want us all to end up like TheSzerdi, boned for abiding the law. A picnic is one thing, eating pizza on their front lawn is another.
    If we do this, I'll be OCing 2 guns and will leave my CPL and DL in my car. I will also NOT disclose.

    Othersmay do as they wish.

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    I hope you have a lawyer then. :P Time and time again we've been shown that warren PD doesn't know/care about OC laws. I'm not going to set myself up for trouble that I know is going to happen, then be detained, get my gun confiscated, and get my CPL suspended until all of the smoke clears. Maybe this is closer to home for me because I'm very good friends with someone that this personally happened to, I don't know. I personally can't afford a lawyer, and I'll be damned if a court appointed lawyer is anything close to an expert in firearm laws lol.
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    Guys, I think we might be going about this one the wrong way. Hear me out, you all know that I am for picnics and litter clean ups, etc. But, I don't think that eating pizza on the steps of the Warren PD is a good idea from a PR stand point. We consider ourselves a non confrontational group and something like this highly contradicts that statement. There are better ways to do this. How about coming up with an event to work with the police department in a fundraiser event or a litter pickup (as was suggested by someone previously) there are plenty of things we can come up with that are less confrontational and still accomplish our goals. I'm all for another Warren event, but not like this. Lets be the bigger person and do this the right way.

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    I agree! Do they have a community relations dept? if so work up a joint event like a fund raiser for kids with cancer or some such.... The public will see you working together and the police officers will get to see that we are not wackjobs!
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    Generaldet wrote:
    Guys, I think we might be going about this one the wrong way. Hear me out, you all know that I am for picnics and litter clean ups, etc. But, I don't think that eating pizza on the steps of the Warren PD is a good idea from a PR stand point. We consider ourselves a non confrontational group and something like this highly contradicts that statement. There are better ways to do this. How about coming up with an event to work with the police department in a fundraiser event or a litter pickup (as was suggested by someone previously) there are plenty of things we can come up with that are less confrontational and still accomplish our goals. I'm all for another Warren event, but not like this. Lets be the bigger person and do this the right way.
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    Generaldet, I think this might be one the few things you and I have a slight difference of opinion on when it comes to open carrying.

    In some cases, I think a confrontation is a good thing. If your 8 year old steals your cigarettes and smokes them, the kid needs an ass wooping. If you own a company and have an employee who does little work, he should be fired. If you are a good person who gets harassed by police who violate laws like the constitution by harassing you, you need to make it stop.

    That's why my opinion is still that we should picnic as close as comfortably possible to the department, to reinforce the fact that we obey the law and they exist to do nothing more than to serve and protect us. It's a nice public area anyway which is used for concerts and fairs. And after all, you and I and other tax payers paid for it. We should use it if we want.

    All that said, I think the most important thing is to open carry heavily in Warren as long as it takes to solve this. I am willing and eager to devote a lot of time towards OCing in warren for as long as it takes. Whatever the group is up for, count me in.

    And hell, if you can actually get them to work WITH us, I'd be all for it. I'm eager to better relations with all PD's. But I have yet to see a thing that would lead me to believe that changing the ways of the Warren PD will be easy.


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    Generaldet wrote:
    Guys, I think we might be going about this one the wrong way. Hear me out, you all know that I am for picnics and litter clean ups, etc. But, I don't think that eating pizza on the steps of the Warren PD is a good idea from a PR stand point. We consider ourselves a non confrontational group and something like this highly contradicts that statement. There are better ways to do this. How about coming up with an event to work with the police department in a fundraiser event or a litter pickup (as was suggested by someone previously) there are plenty of things we can come up with that are less confrontational and still accomplish our goals. I'm all for another Warren event, but not like this. Lets be the bigger person and do this the right way.
    I'm confused how eating pizza in a really public place that all our taxes pay for outside on a nice day is a bad thing? It's an area to relax and hang out. I read books out there all the time and sometimes do some studying. It's also a great place for children to run around. I don't recommend yelling an screaming but I don't understand what the problem is. As for working with the police that would be great too but I have a sneaking suspicion they don't want to have anything to do with us. If they do great. The goal is not to get people arrested the goal is to let them know we're not going away and we're law abiding citizens right?

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