Springfield Smitty
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hopnpop wrote:
The "reasonable man" is a very interesting concept. According to the definition the law uses, the "resonable man" is actually the highest standard of evaluation one can apply to someone. This "reasonable man" is so far exalted above what most of us laymen consider to be "reasonable" it is almost hard to imagine.
If you ever get a chance, ask a lawyer about this. It is very eye opening and interesting.
BTW - Any of you who took a CPL class from an NRA Certified Instructor should have had this concept explained during the legal portion. If not, your instructor did not follow the NRA standards in conducting the class.
hopnpop wrote:
Leader wrote:hopnpop wrote:Springfield Smitty wrote:Choover,
It is okay only if you have your CPL.
Right. If you have a CPL, it doesn't have to be 100% anything. If NOT, it does have to be "100%" visible. I quotationed that because even when OCing on the hip at your 3 o'clock, and someone's at your 9 o'clock, it isn't visible to them. Misnomer. Anyway...
OC'd in Lawrence today, checked out the new gunshop there that just opened - K&D Arms. Quaint little shop, not much iventory, but very reasonable prices on what they have. Eyeballed a.303 British with optics and a Russian SKS :quirky. Nicest folks. Hope it takes off for 'em.
Actually the law says a reasonable person has to be able to tell it's a gun. If they can, it's open carry.
We are still waiting for someone charged with CCW for carrying with an IWB holster.
To date I know of no one that has been CONVICTED for that.
I was recently discussing this issue with EM87. Before our conversation, I was under the impression that carrying in an IWB holster, but otherwise uncovered (by shirt) IS considered open carry. He explained that it's still a gray area and that it very well could be considered (failed) concealed carry. I had it in my head that such an issue had already been tried in court and was deemed open carry, but I don't recall where that notion came from. At least from the frontit's obvious that it's a gun in my waistband. If carrying in an IWB holster but otherwise uncovered is considered concealed, I've broken that one a few times, carrying in that manner into C-stores and party stores that sell alcohol.
"...the law says a reasonable person has to be able to tell it's a gun. If they can, it's open carry."
Poor wording I think. I don't like it when they use wording like "a reasonable person" - who exactly determines whether a person is reasonable or not? In MY opinion, most anyone who would make an issue of someone carrying, either concealed OR openly, isn't "reasonable".
Any update on this matter would be nice to have, should this issue go to court sometime.
The "reasonable man" is a very interesting concept. According to the definition the law uses, the "resonable man" is actually the highest standard of evaluation one can apply to someone. This "reasonable man" is so far exalted above what most of us laymen consider to be "reasonable" it is almost hard to imagine.
If you ever get a chance, ask a lawyer about this. It is very eye opening and interesting.
BTW - Any of you who took a CPL class from an NRA Certified Instructor should have had this concept explained during the legal portion. If not, your instructor did not follow the NRA standards in conducting the class.