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    Went to the tea party in Battle creek, took the wife & my mother there were appox 1000-1500 people there,

    saw No reporters or tv stations there except Fox news Hmmmm ?

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    They just keep growing!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    I took some pics that i will try and get sent out,

    Did get stopped by the Battle Creek police dept,but he left me alone after he realized that i didn't taste very good, he told me to cover up and i informed him that oc is legal and that his boss, the law agencies all know that, also that my boss was on the other side of the river watching, then another cc er came up and the officer decided to leave....




    spelling GRRRR!!!!

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    I can only imagine how that exchange went:what: I wish I could have been there!
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    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    I at this time am attempting to contact the bcpd about the fact that he rapped his arm over my shoulder and said that he wanted to talk to me in private and didn't want to create a scene ( a form of control ) wrong way to deal with me .....

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    He assulted you?

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    You know Mastiff69, I haven't seen you in person since Lansing in april of 08, but I can still imagine how funny that must have been. Did you get audio? If not, maybe he got some that could be FOIAd? Sounds awfully amuzing.
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    Yes he did put his body on mine and it was unwanted by me, call what you will, and i will go thru the channels to deal with it , my boss was about 75 feet away on the other side of the river and when it was all over he called me on my phone and asked what the cop wanted and i told him he just laughed he knows me to well ...

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    Just got off the phone with the third shift sergant of BCPD and he indorsed the second shiftofficers way of dealing with me, and he said yes this is the way we deal with people with guns, and that he is an instructor, etc.... and darn tottin he supports the officer having control of me, up close and personel.. we deal with crimminals, shootings, drugs,

    (and this is not farmington hills ?)WTF ????



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    Sorry to hear about your encounter with BCPD.

    Here is Police Chief Dave Headings' email address, in case you don't have it deheadings@ci.battle-creek.mi.us

    He knowsOC islegal but I don't think he, personally,approves of its practice. But that is just speculation on my part.

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    He had no business touching you unless he had PC for an arrest or at the very least RAS for the stop. As we all know and HE should too a GUN is not by itself RAS for a stop/detention.
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    I sent a e-mail to the chief, we will see if there is a response

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    I believe that when he "rapped his arm over my shoulder" that you were "arrested", sick 'em.springerdave.

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    dougwg wrote:
    He assulted you?
    I believe that mastiff was technically battered.

    http://www.expertlaw.com/library/per...t_battery.html

    Assault
    An assault invoves:

    1. An intentional, unlawful threat or "offer" to cause bodily injury to another by force;
    2. Under circumstances which create in the other person a well-founded fear of imminent peril;
    3. Where there exists the apparent present ability to carry out the act if not prevented.

    Note that an assault can be completed even if there is no actual contact with the plaintiff, and even if the defendant had no actual ability to carry out the apparent threat. For example, a defendant who points a realistic toy gun at the plaintiff may be liable for assault, even though the defendant was fifty feet away from the plaintiff and had no actual ability to inflict harm from that distance.

    Battery
    A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that person’s will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.

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    Well as of 8pm tonight i not recieved any e-mail response to the e-mail that i sent to the Chief, i can only assume that the Chief is on vacation, very busy, or can't COMMENT. so i will attempt another form of response and if that dosen't work i will make it offical instead of in house....

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    Well called today the chief is in a meeting, so they told me to re fax it to his assistant and i did , bad e-mail, won't go thru so i guess i have to make an appointment to see the chief, and i guess i will do a foia also while am there, when i should be at work.

    If this doesn't work then i will outside of the city, and then they can answer to somebody elseof a higher authority

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    mastiff69 wrote:
    If this doesn't work then i will outside of the city, and then they can answer to somebody elseof a higher authority
    *clap clap clap*

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    Mastiff I'm sure all of us in Battle Creek know that BCPD should have better things to do than harass law abiding citizens.
    By the way I need to thank you again for telling me about this site, very informative!
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    Have been good thanks for asking.
    Just got off the phone with the Mayor's office, since the Chief of police are to busy to return my faxes or e-mails, which have my info on them to contact me that i have sent since the beginning around the 9 of Sept, this has been ignored for over 20 days. Ps even Faxed the Chief's Assistant with no response.

    And this could have been handled by the Chief so low keyed, instead i have to involve the Mayors office and take there time to correct a problem that should have been handled in house.
    Now the Mayors office has a Lut. that works for the mayors office that is supposed to get back with me this Friday the 1st of Oct.
    And the police wonder why the people don't trust and or respect the people behind the badge. I can say that i used to years ago before1998, not after
    The ongoing story, If this fails then it is to the IG Office in lansing...

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    Good luck. It's really too bad they didn't step up to the plate.

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    Well it's 11am and no call as of yet... will see if i get a call



    Received a call from the Police dept, a Officer Tim Hurtt sorry for lack of rank & spelling? working for the Mayors office has told me that the city attorney has sent out a info pack on open carry to be addressed to all officers in the Battle Creek Police Dept. Stating that OC is legal ect....

    And that this packet will be sent to me also..

    So i would say that this issue is closed, am disappointed that it took this long to resolve this small issue in the first place.....

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    update

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    Work is the only thing keeping me from joining you guys at your dinners, picnics, and so on. I will be getting to one of them as soon as I can because I can a lot to talk about and ask. I'm just a face to face type person more over.

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    Still no informational packet fromTim Hurtt .. they must have forgotten, lost my house phone no. cell no. house address. It happens to the best I guess i will go see the mayor, city attorney, etc. monday

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    Well it is now oct 8 and no further info has been received so i will go get a foia for everything as this seems to be the only way of handling things with the LAW>>>>

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