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I feel as though this has probably been answered before, but I'm at a loss trying to find it. Given that "If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation," is rather vague, is there anything that can be sited regarding OC'ing while operating a motor vehicle?

My apologies in advance, as I'm certain this has been answered before.
 
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FWIW, I put a I put a nylon strap tightly around my passenger's seat, so that I may put my holster on it while I am driving my old Cherokee around. It's definitely in plain sight, and it's well secured, so I'm doubly good to go.

If you want, I can probably get some pics up later in the week, when I get it back from the shop...
 
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I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
 
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ed wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
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I do
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Even if you tell the officer "I am open carrying" it doesn't matter because he has already looked in his computer that you have a CHP. He could care less where you have it on your persons. Others like myself don't have that courtesy. If the officer wants to charge me with concealed, I don't have anything to fall on.:shock:
 
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CRF250rider1000 wrote:
ed wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
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I do
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Even if you tell the officer "I am open carrying" it doesn't matter because he has already looked in his computer that you have a CHP. He could care less where you have it on your persons. Others like myself don't have that courtesy. If the officer wants to charge me with concealed, I don't have anything to fall on.:shock:
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A CHP holder may not be driving a vehicle registered in their name.
 
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CRF250rider1000 wrote:
ed wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
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I do
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Even if you tell the officer "I am open carrying" it doesn't matter because he has already looked in his computer that you have a CHP. He could care less where you have it on your persons. Others like myself don't have that courtesy. If the officer wants to charge me with concealed, I don't have anything to fall on.:shock:
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My vehicle is actually registered in another person's name, one who has a CHP. I've always wondered how this would work out...
When I OC I just leave it on my belt, around 3:00. My center console blocks the view from the right side, and my seatbelt covers part of the holster. Really it's slightly visible but I've just never really worried about it. I'll have my CHP in about 8 months anyways. And I also drive in a manner conducive of not getting pulled over :lol: usually :D.
 
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virginiatuck wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
ed wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
Click to expand...
I do
Click to expand...
Even if you tell the officer "I am open carrying" it doesn't matter because he has already looked in his computer that you have a CHP. He could care less where you have it on your persons. Others like myself don't have that courtesy. If the officer wants to charge me with concealed, I don't have anything to fall on.:shock:
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A CHP holder may not be driving a vehicle registered in their name.
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True. I am sure that in Ed's case his vehicles are registered in his name. When the officer pulls up the plates in the computer it shows Ed's info. Once the officer walks up to the vehicle and gets Ed's license, then he knows it is in fact Ed driving who has a CHP. Every circumstance is different. Say if a CHP holder was driving a vehicle in a non-holder's name and OCing. That would be interesting to see what would happen. If the officer tries to call it concealed, then the CHP holder can just whip out his card which I can't.:?
 
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CRF250rider1000 wrote:
True. I am sure that in Ed's case his vehicles are registered in his name. When the officer pulls up the plates in the computer it shows Ed's info. Once the officer walks up to the vehicle and gets Ed's license, then he knows it is in fact Ed driving who has a CHP. Every circumstance is different. Say if a CHP holder was driving a vehicle in a non-holder's name and OCing. That would be interesting to see what would happen. If the officer tries to call it concealed, then the CHP holder can just whip out his card which I can't.:?
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Precisely the reason that I raise this question.
 
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IMO, this is another issue where a lot of speculation goes into something that shouldn't happen. Don't get me wrong...I like the discussion (Most of the time) because it keeps everyone informed on what the details of the law are.

But I also like to look out of the window once in a while and see what color the sky really is.

So lets assume we're talking about some horrid person who actually has an illegally concealed weapon in his car. He sees blue lights coming up behind him and puts his gun on the seat, in plain view.

When Hank made a speech on the deserted island, did he make a sound?:uhoh:
 
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virginiatuck wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
ed wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
I put mine in the cupholder or secure it in the passenger seat. I wear my 1911 at 4-5 O'clock and when I sit down in my car and put my seatbelt on, it basically disappears.

Ed, don't you have a CHP anyways?
Click to expand...
I do
Click to expand...
Even if you tell the officer "I am open carrying" it doesn't matter because he has already looked in his computer that you have a CHP. He could care less where you have it on your persons. Others like myself don't have that courtesy. If the officer wants to charge me with concealed, I don't have anything to fall on.:shock:
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What if you have a VA non resident CHP? Since my Jeep is registered in MD, the VA LEO won't know since MD has no idea of what out of state CHP's I may have.
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VaLiberty wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
True. I am sure that in Ed's case his vehicles are registered in his name. When the officer pulls up the plates in the computer it shows Ed's info. Once the officer walks up to the vehicle and gets Ed's license, then he knows it is in fact Ed driving who has a CHP. Every circumstance is different. Say if a CHP holder was driving a vehicle in a non-holder's name and OCing. That would be interesting to see what would happen. If the officer tries to call it concealed, then the CHP holder can just whip out his card which I can't.:?
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Precisely the reason that I raise this question.
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I came to the conclusion that unless I have a permit that I will just pack the gun up in the trunk and leave the ammo in the console. I think its best not to take chances. Thats me though and I am sure there are people who will disagree with me.
 
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crazydude6030 wrote:
VaLiberty wrote:
CRF250rider1000 wrote:
True. I am sure that in Ed's case his vehicles are registered in his name. When the officer pulls up the plates in the computer it shows Ed's info. Once the officer walks up to the vehicle and gets Ed's license, then he knows it is in fact Ed driving who has a CHP. Every circumstance is different. Say if a CHP holder was driving a vehicle in a non-holder's name and OCing. That would be interesting to see what would happen. If the officer tries to call it concealed, then the CHP holder can just whip out his card which I can't.:?
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Precisely the reason that I raise this question.
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I came to the conclusion that unless I have a permit that I will just pack the gun up in the trunk and leave the ammo in the console. I think its best not to take chances. Thats me though and I am sure there are people who will disagree with me.
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You aren't even carrying at that point:uhoh:
 
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CRF250rider1000 wrote:
crazydude6030 wrote:
I came to the conclusion that unless I have a permit that I will just pack the gun up in the trunk and leave the ammo in the console. I think its best not to take chances. Thats me though and I am sure there are people who will disagree with me.
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You aren't even carrying at that point:uhoh:
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That's the idea. Until I get a permit than carrying in my car is off limits. It hides the gun 100% once the seat belt is on.
 
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ProShooter wrote:
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That's the idea. Until I get a permit than carrying in my car is off limits. It hides the gun 100% once the seat belt is on.
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Sounds like all you need is a different holster. I OC in my truck all day long and never worry.
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You might be right about that. I spend most of my extra money on ammo and range time so getting a permit and better carry gear hasn't really been on the top of the list. I figure in a few months I might make my way to the court house to knock the permit out. After that then I'll try to pick up a holster or two.
 
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I subscribe to the logic that a car door or center console makes a pistol concealed just as much as sitting in a booth with your strong site towards the wall.

If you open carry with a shoulder rig, and have really big arms, are you now concealed?
 
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