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    Call Senators Warner and Webb to oppose the confirmation of Cass Sunstein to the regulatory czar position!

    He wrote in 2007

    The Second Amendment seems to specify its own purpose, which is to protect the well regulated Militia." If that is the purpose of the Second Amendment (as Burger believed), then we might speculate that it safeguards not individual rights but federalism.
    He also said in a speech at Harvard in 2007

    We ought to ban hunting.
    His job position would be to write the federal regulations. He couldn't outright ban guns or hunting without new legislation, but nothing would stop him from over regulating them into obscurity.

    There is no way Warner or Webb can support this guy and claim to be friends of the 2nd or of sportsman. Call their offices right now, the vote is today! They are trying to sneak him in while everyone is distracted with health care.

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    Gun Owners of America put out an alert on this. You can use their "activism" link on their web site (below) to automatically find your senators and blast off an email. Here's the email from GOA:

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    Senate to Vote on Anti-gun Kook for 'Regulatory Czar'
    -- Nominee favors bringing an end to hunting

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
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    Tuesday, September 8, 2009

    Just when you thought the news about the Obama administration couldn't get any worse, gun owners find themselves needing to rally the troops once again.

    This time it's the proposed "Regulatory Czar" who will be coming to a vote this week in the U.S. Senate.

    His name is Cass Sunstein, and he holds some of the kookiest views you will ever hear.

    For starters, Sunstein believes in regulating hunting out of existence. He told a Harvard audience in 2007 that "we ought to ban hunting." And in The Rights of Animals: A Very Short Primer (2002), he said:
    I think we should go further ... the law should impose further regulation on hunting, scientific experiments, entertainment, and (above all) farming to ensure against unnecessary animal suffering. It is easy to imagine a set of initiatives that would do a great deal here, and indeed European nations have moved in just this direction. There are many possibilities. (Italics are his emphasis.)
    If that's all Sunstein believed, he would be dangerous and extreme, but not necessarily kooky. Unfortunately, when you look at WHY he wants to restrict hunting, this is where he goes beyond extreme.

    In Sunstein's world, animals should have just as many rights as people ... and they should be able to sue humans in court!

    "We could even grant animals a right to bring suit without insisting that animals are persons, or that they are not property," Sunstein said on page 11 of Animal Rights: Current Debates and New Directions (2004).

    Well, that's a relief ... he is at least willing to concede that animals are not persons! But he would still have animals suing humans, apparently, with more enlightened humans representing the cuddly critters.

    Imagine returning from a successful hunting trip ... only to find out that you've been subpoenaed for killing your prize. Who knows, maybe Sunstein would have the family of the dead animal serving as witnesses in court!

    By the way, if you're wondering what he thinks about the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, you won't be surprised to know that Sunstein is a huge supporter of gun control.

    In Radicals in Robes: Why Extreme Right-Wing Courts are Wrong for America (2005), Sunstein says:
    Almost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine.... [O]n the Constitution's text, fundamentalists [that is, gun rights supporters] should not be so confident in their enthusiasm for invalidating gun control legislation.
    Hmm, what part of "shall not be infringed" does Sunstein not understand?

    Imagine the power that Sunstein could have as the Regulatory Czar -- the nickname for the person heading the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) in the White House.

    As the Regulatory Czar, he could bring about changes in the regulations that affect hunting, gun control and farming. In short, he could make your life hell.

    Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) objected to his nomination several weeks ago, preventing him from being unanimously confirmed.

    That means that the Senate will now need to garner 60 votes to confirm this radical, kooky choice to the OIRA.

    No doubt, many of the people our President wants to associate with are radical kooks. First, there was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ... then there was the self-avowed communist (Van Jones) who was nominated for the Green Jobs Czar ... now, there's an extreme animal rights activist who wants to take away our guns and get Bambi to sue us in court.

    It's time to take a STRONG STAND against this radical administration.

    ACTION: Please contact your Senators right away and urge them to vote AGAINST the Cass Sunstein nomination. You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your legislators the pre-written e-mail message below.



    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Senator:

    I urge you to vote AGAINST Cass Sunstein as the head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, as I am very concerned about the impact this "Regulatory Czar" would have upon firearms and hunting.

    Sunstein told a Harvard audience in 2007 that "we ought to ban hunting." If that were all Sunstein believed, he would be dangerous and extreme, but not necessarily kooky. Unfortunately, in Sunstein's world, animals should have just as many rights as people ... and they should be able to sue humans in court!

    Moreover, he is a firm supporter of gun control. In Radicals in Robes: Why Extreme Right-Wing Courts are Wrong for America (2005), Sunstein says that, "Almost all gun control legislation is constitutionally fine."

    I wouldn't be surprised if Sunstein is part of the small minority -- 11% of Americans, according to a Zogby/O'Leary poll in August -- who opposes licensed concealed carry.

    I hope you will understand that Cass Sunstein's views are WAY OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM of American thought and that you should vote NO on this radical, kooky nomination.

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    Good call. I did this earlier, their offices were not even aware that the vote would be today.

    But the NRA confirms it is indeed planned for today.

    They are even going to vote for cloture over the objection of a sitting Senator, which rarely if ever happens with regards to these types of nominations.

    His first amendment views are even scarier than his second - he basically advocates for positions that would close down of all pro-gun forums.

    Also he advocates that the government could make any blogger change statements or facts that the government deems to be false. The Ministry of Truth in action.

    Cass Sunstein apparently believes that 1984 is a blueprint, not a warning. To wit, one of his most chilling quotes : "There is no liberty without dependency".

    Just another way of saying Freedom is Slavery.



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    Skeptic wrote:
    Cass Sunstein apparently believes that 1984 is a blueprint, not a warning. To wit, one of his most chilling quotes : "There is no liberty without dependency".

    Just another way of saying Freedom is Slavery.


    Can we get some context for that quote?

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    tag wrote:
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    Cass Sunstein apparently believes that 1984 is a blueprint, not a warning. To wit, one of his most chilling quotes : "There is no liberty without dependency".

    Just another way of saying Freedom is Slavery.


    Can we get some context for that quote?
    It was in a piece he wrote on how we should be celebrating the paying taxes on April 15.

    Basically he means that the rights to welfare, etc are just as valid as the enumerated rights because they both require government to enforce

    He carries that argument further in his 2005 book "The Second Bill of Rights: FDR's Unfinished Revolution" the National Review has a pretty good analysis of that piece here:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/books/...0503011045.asp



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    And how is this nut-job even in the position he's in to be voted on?! Holy s*** America.

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    And how is this nut-job even in the position he's in to be voted on?! Holy s*** America.
    Truly.

    I never thought I would see anything like this in my lifetime.

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    Glock27Bill wrote:
    proud_to_serveUSAF wrote:
    And how is this nut-job even in the position he's in to be voted on?! Holy s*** America.
    Truly.

    I never thought I would see anything like this in my lifetime.
    He passed cloture, 63 -35.

    A bunch of the usual suspects on the Republican side voted for cloture.

    Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah), Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine).

    Two Democrats voted against: Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), and our own Sen. James Webb (D-Va.).

    I beleive the confirmation vote will be tomorrow. Since they don't have to vote the same way, it is not a foregone conclusion - but it probably is all BUT a foregone conclusion.

    I am feeling sick to my stomach right now...

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    I don't know if it is because of my age or because I never used to really follow political occurences, but I can't remember the last time I had a fear for the future of my country and the last time I've seen the US in this much turmoil. Let me know if you get a chance tomorrow how the final vote went.

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    So what the heck happened...Warner voted yea.

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    nova wrote:
    So what the heck happened...Warner voted yea.
    Yup - as far as cloture. That ends debate/filibuster/questions etc.

    The final vote is tomorrow so there is still time to change his mind with calls, faxes, and emails.



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    Skeptic wrote:
    nova wrote:
    So what the heck happened...Warner voted yea.
    Yup - as far as cloture. That ends debate/filibuster/questions etc.

    The final vote is tomorrow so there is still time to change his mind with calls, faxes, and emails.

    One woulda thought he would vote for cloture if he has no intention of voting in favor in the final vote.

    Keep his phone busy people!

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    E-mail sent, will call later today.

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    He's confirmed.

    Where in the heck are we heading??????

    Webb-Nay

    Warner-Yea

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    Glock27Bill wrote:
    He's confirmed.

    Where in the heck are we heading??????


    here's your answer comrade.

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    nova wrote:
    Glock27Bill wrote:
    He's confirmed.

    Where in the heck are we heading??????


    here's your answer comrade.
    I'd laugh if I was sure it was a joke.

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    Glock27Bill wrote:
    nova wrote:
    Glock27Bill wrote:
    He's confirmed.

    Where in the heck are we heading??????


    here's your answer comrade.
    I'd laugh if I was sure it was a joke.
    At one point I'd say it was a joke. I think we've gone past that point sadly.

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