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Another "No Firearms" sign!

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Bennelli

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Here is a photo of a sign on my 5 year old's school (Crescent Elem School). It makes it appear that no one can have a Firearm with them on the school property. I have a CFP and I am a Certified Concealed Carry Firearm Instructor, so this sign has no vaule for me, but it is mis-leading. I know the law which allows CFP holders to carry a firearm in any public school in Utah.

(not in the photo) it states "in accordance with all State and local Laws" I guess that is to cover the exception of CFP holders.
 
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thx997303 wrote:
Yeah, well that sign needs to be taken down.

Talk to the administrators at the school.
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Maybe even talk to the School District. They probably have them on all their schools.
 
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We really need a much larger scale move to take care of these errant violations of state pre-emption law.

Our current course of action works, but very slowly, and our efforts tend to become centralized to certain areas because our membership is few.

Let's think on how to speed up the process. In the meantime, keep your eyes peeled and fire off letters when needed.

Keep up the fire.
 
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LovesHisXD45 wrote:
PavePusher wrote:
Is it a Private or Public school? There would be a difference there.
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Not really. :)
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The difference is that since Crescent is a public school, their "rule" is unenforceable, and the sign is unlawful per Utah Code 53-5a-102.

If Crescent were a private school, the sign would not be unlawful, and they could make any rule they want that pertains to firearms.
 
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SGT Jensen wrote:
LovesHisXD45 wrote:
PavePusher wrote:
Is it a Private or Public school? There would be a difference there.
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Not really. :)
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The difference is that since Crescent is a public school, their "rule" is unenforceable, and the sign is unlawful per Utah Code 53-5a-102.

If Crescent were a private school, the sign would not be unlawful, and they could make any rule they want that pertains to firearms.
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packingmama

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SGT Jensen wrote:
LovesHisXD45 wrote:
PavePusher wrote:
Is it a Private or Public school? There would be a difference there.
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Not really. :)
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The difference is that since Crescent is a public school, their "rule" is unenforceable, and the sign is unlawful per Utah Code 53-5a-102.
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Sounds like SGT and I need to make an OC stop at that school! :shock::D
In a couple of weeks of course.
 
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Are you really going to OC at that public school? Won't you get in trouble with the FGFSZA? Or is it true that it is unenforcable?
 
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tbeenysw wrote:
Are you really going to OC at that public school? Won't you get in trouble with the FGFSZA? Or is it true that it is unenforcable?
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No problem with open carry at ANY public school in the State of Utah AS LONG AS YOU HAVE BEEN ISSUED A PERMIT ALLOWING YOU TO CONCEAL BY THE STATE OF UTAH!

That being said, some of the schools need to be reminded of that, at times.

And if my schedule permits, I am willing to go with Sgt Jensen and Packingmama when they do this!
 
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tbeenysw wrote:
Are you really going to OC at that public school? Won't you get in trouble with the FGFSZA? Or is it true that it is unenforcable?
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No, we have no plans to carry there, nor do we have any business at Crescent Elementary.

However, since my wife and I have concealed firearm permits, carrying in any Utah public schoolwould not be a problem.

The Federal Gun Free School Zone Act applies to K-12 schools only, and there is an exemption if you are licensed by the State the school is in.

Utah law covers all schools, but permit holders from any State are exempt.
 
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usSiR

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just write in marker "Illegal" next to Firearms

The ogden river walk has a no firearms sign, I just ignore it, I'll take a picture of it over the next few days
 
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usSiR wrote:
just write in marker "Illegal" next to Firearms

The ogden river walk has a no firearms sign, I just ignore it, I'll take a picture of it over the next few days
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The river walk at the Big Dee Sports Park? The one that follows the river west under Harrison, Monroe, etc? I've never noticed it, I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm in Ogden as well.
 
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usSiR

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UtahJarhead wrote:
usSiR wrote:
just write in marker "Illegal" next to Firearms

The ogden river walk has a no firearms sign, I just ignore it, I'll take a picture of it over the next few days
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The river walk at the Big Dee Sports Park? The one that follows the river west under Harrison, Monroe, etc? I've never noticed it, I'll keep an eye out for it. I'm in Ogden as well.
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yeah devil dog....

take a good look at them, I notice it at Washington most of the time you have to walk right past the sign

Semper Fi
 
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I'm going to have to check that out. If it's saying no firearms AT ALL, then that being public property, it's illegal signage, no?
 
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UtahJarhead wrote:
I'm going to have to check that out. If it's saying no firearms AT ALL, then that being public property, it's illegal signage, no?
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Yes, that is correct.
 
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mqondo

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I was there about 2 months ago, and the signs were still there. Not very recent, I know. Next time I'm there I'll check it out.
 
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Rusty_Shackleford

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Looking at the sign at the school....

Do they teach proper punctuation....at
Crescent Elem. School???
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Looks like your Firearm is OK as long as it Is "not Smoking"

"Would you like to buy a comma"--Vanna White
 
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