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    I was in Walmart the other day checking to see if they had any range ammo. Upon walking over to the sporting goods section, my brother advised me that there was another person carrying openly as well. I have not noticed not too many OCers there and whenever I see one, I usually spend a couple minutes chatting about what they have and whatnot. Upon approaching this man, I said, "Hello" to which he responded with just a simple nod. I told him I noticed that he was carrying as well and asked if he had gotten those "looks" that everyone gets or if anyone had talked to him about it and he responded by saying, "My gun is already registered, they can't do s**t about it." I then asked him what he was carrying to which again in an angry voice replied, "Who wants to know". That was that, I just said to him "Never mind, have a nice day sir" and continued to get the ammo. Never have had that happen before.

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    I was in Walmart the other day checking to see if they had any range ammo. Upon walking over to the sporting goods section, my brother advised me that there was another person carrying openly as well. I have not noticed not too many OCers there and whenever I see one, I usually spend a couple minutes chatting about what they have and whatnot. Upon approaching this man, I said, "Hello" to which he responded with just a simple nod. I told him I noticed that he was carrying as well and asked if he had gotten those "looks" that everyone gets or if anyone had talked to him about it and he responded by saying, "My gun is already registered, they can't do s**t about it." I then asked him what he was carrying to which again in an angry voice replied, "Who wants to know". That was that, I just said to him "Never mind, have a nice day sir" and continued to get the ammo. Never have had that happen before.
    I get that sometimes. Some people are either in a bad mood or their hiding something. Don't worry about it. I'm probably guessing that he was justin a bad mood. I've seen that and the best thing to do is just ignore them.

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    LOL his gun was registered? With whom? What a moron!

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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he was not having the best day. And as for that whole gun registered thing, I believed that he was not from around here and I did not dare ask him another question . HAHA

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    Obviously he's one of those 'A good offense is the best defense' strategists. You meet them every day, the person that blows through a stop sign or changes lanes without a single glance in the mirror much less a signal, and then gives you the finger when you tap your horn.

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    He may have been grumpy, just had a run-in with some ****** bag anti that gave him the Nth degree, and here comes another guy asking stupid questions...

    Maybe he told you 'it was registered" just to make you go away and not ask if it is.... Like every other ****** bag he just had to talk to that put him in such a bad mood...


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    Just my opinion, but you should avoid the whole "bad attitude thing" if you're open carrying. The "registered" comment is completely stupid for a couple reason... he's from out of state and doesn't know and didn't bother to check the laws here, or he's intentionally blowing people off with erroneous information. If you're gona be a dick head when you carry, you should carry concealed.

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    DMGNUT wrote:
    Just my opinion, but you should avoid the whole "bad attitude thing" if you're open carrying.
    That is exactly what I think. I understand people have bad days, who doesn't, but man was this guy a doucher. I didn't think a couple seconds of conversation would really cause that response. Who knows, maybe he was getting questions from other people and did not notice that I was carrying as well. :?Oh well, Walmart has customers from all walks of life HAHA.

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    I still say the guy deserves the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he had just been verbally assaulted by an anti? The fact that he was carrying, in my book, means I'd cut him some slack. Being less prepared than readers of this forum could be, it is easy to see how he might be put in that mood by the same people members of this board can easily outmaneuver and walk away from with a smile.

    It does just plain 'look bad' to stomp around with a scowl while packing.... I might raise an eyebrow to that, myself. But everyone has a bad day. Especially when anti's with no respect for others like to ambush you for being a decent human being.

    Maybe he just got roughed up by those cows in Show Low? ;-)

    I'd lend more 'benefit of the doubt' to a carrier, than just about anyone else.
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    Registered? Nah... he's a Yankee noob. City type prob'ly... they're usually wired tight.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    noob.
    Seriously, my sides hurt....
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    DMGNUT wrote:
    Just my opinion, but you should avoid the whole "bad attitude thing" if you're open carrying. The "registered" comment is completely stupid for a couple reason... he's from out of state and doesn't know and didn't bother to check the laws here, or he's intentionally blowing people off with erroneous information. If you're gona be a dick head when you carry, you should carry concealed.
    He might've just thought the question was stupid, resulting in an attitude and (possibly) intentional misdirection. Or maybe he just focused on what he was doing and really didn't want to engage in chatter.

    Let's face it, there is no particular reason to start talking guns or carry with any T,D,H who ambles up to you.

    And if he is "a dick head," there there is noparticular restriction on the right to OC when doing so.

    He's our guy, he's an OCer. He has a right to OC anyway he wishes.

    Remember: "A right unexcercised is a right lost."

    I just hope he doesn't get stopped for questioning by W-M security or local LE. He probably will needlessly providea bad impression of OCers.



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    He's obviously new to OC... 'prob'ly self-concious 'n perhaps nervously annoyed. Therefore... he'll defensively'cop an attitude' 'cause he's not completely comfortable with thisOC novelty, so he 'tuff guy' compensated by being surley. It's like drivin' 75mph 'legally' for the first time... you feel like you're gettin'away with somethin'.

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    I wonder if he will be at the dinner....lol...that should be great conversation.



    What are you having for dinner?



    Who wants to know....

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    If you OC enough you will encounter all kinds of attitudes, and opinions.
    Trick is to not let it define your day or your thoughts on OC'ing.

    I've been know to advise a concealed carrier of his printing or a shirt up over their weapon, some take it with a grain of salt, others get all excited, as if you crapped in their mess kit.
    I figure its a courtesy to help them remain a ccw'r. Oh well.

    When the OC'rs with bad attitude stirke, kill'm with kindness, makes it all that more exciting.
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    RJ wrote:
    If you OC enough you will encounter all kinds of attitudes, and opinions.
    Trick is to not let it define your day or your thoughts on OC'ing.
    Unfortunately, the OCer with the BA is a representative to thegeneral public of the OC community.

    And since there are so few OCers, that OCer cum BAmakes a stronger impression, a negative one, on the public's mind about OCers.

    Refer to the Anthony Manzella (anty506) case for an example of this concept. He was a BIG proponentand practitioner of OC. But he ended up getting involved with drugs and he shot and killed someone. Murder, they say. Sure seems like it.

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    In my experience in OC'ing, majority of comments or questions come from other gunnies, whether they OC or CCW, and of course at our group gatherings we get a few questions in regards to such a large group carrying.

    But in all, the other comments or questions are from anti gun owners or anti rights period, I care not to argue the point with them, as they're mind is made up, until they need someone like me or another carrier to help them.
    They are hypocritical at best, as we all know the PC people are.

    Public preception is important, but not to the point of degrading or ingratiating yourself to them.
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    Not for nuthin guys, But you make it sound like the onlypeople that exercise their rights by O-C'ingshould belong to some little club with a secret handshake.

    If I had someone come up to me asking about my firearm and I did not know them, I would probably be very short with them too since I have no idea of their intentions or want to speak with me.

    Lets use an anology here, lets say he was with a hot red-head, do you feel he should be personable with you just because you may have tagged a red-head or two once or twice in your life?

    Think about it, how many times have we all been asked "is that gun registered" by someone that knows nothing about their rights when pertaining to carrying a firearm.

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    Nutczak wrote:
    Not for nuthin guys, But you make it sound like the onlyÂ*people that exercise their rights by O-C'ingÂ*should belong to some little club with a secret handshake.

    If I had someone come up to me asking about my firearm and I did not know them, I would probably be very short with them too since I have no idea of their intentions or want to speak with me.

    Lets use an anology here, lets say he was with aÂ* hot red-head, do you feel he should be personable with you just because you may have tagged a red-head or two once or twice in your life?

    Think about it, how many times have we all been asked "is that gun registered" by someone that knows nothing about their rights when pertaining to carrying a firearm.
    I figure they are asking the question because they want to be educated and don't know how to go about it appropriately. Lot easier to be courteous, than rude and indiferent. But hey just my opinion,
    happy carrying to you all.
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    RJ wrote:
    Nutczak wrote:
    Not for nuthin guys, But you make it sound like the onlypeople that exercise their rights by O-C'ingshould belong to some little club with a secret handshake.

    If I had someone come up to me asking about my firearm and I did not know them, I would probably be very short with them too since I have no idea of their intentions or want to speak with me.

    Lets use an anology here, lets say he was with a hot red-head, do you feel he should be personable with you just because you may have tagged a red-head or two once or twice in your life?

    Think about it, how many times have we all been asked "is that gun registered" by someone that knows nothing about their rights when pertaining to carrying a firearm.
    I figure they are asking the question because they want to be educated and don't know how to go about it appropriately. Lot easier to be courteous, than rude and indiferent. But hey just my opinion,
    happy carrying to you all.
    Could be that the OP was too pushy with this questions or body language or something. Or even too rude, as perceived by the other fellow. Hard to say.



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    GF wrote:
    DMGNUT wrote:
    Just my opinion, but you should avoid the whole "bad attitude thing" if you're open carrying.
    That is exactly what I think. I understand people have bad days, who doesn't, but man was this guy a doucher. I didn't think a couple seconds of conversation would really cause that response. Who knows, maybe he was getting questions from other people and did not notice that I was carrying as well. :?Oh well, Walmart has customers from all walks of life HAHA.
    as stated before very possible he had run ins and thought u were another anti,the whole comment about gun being registered maybe true if hes a transplant i have mine registered,but i am a transplant..:?

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    I just think he had a bad day, but like I stated before, I don't think he saw that I was carrying also. Oh well, I'm betting that isn't going to be the last guy I run into like that.

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    It is a shame that the OCer did have a bad attitude. I do have a thory behind this, however, based on personal experience. While I OC regularly (daily) and encourage responsible people to OC as well, that doesn't mean I am automatically comfortable seeing strangers carrying guns as well. While I certainly am glad to see another individual exercising his/her 2nd Amendment rights, I am no more "comfortable" with them than I would be with anyone else in public carrying or not. I don't know who they are, if they are legally carrying or not (although if it is OC it is likely to be legal carry), I don't know their mental state or how normal this person is. Additionally, when I'm in public I rarely have time for side conversations. I have errands to run and things to get done and simply don't have time to doddle. When it occurs that someone is curious about my firearm, I will give them a brief explanation (as not to be rude) but I am not going to suddenly try to be friends with them. Even though I carry a gun, I also keep an eye on anyone else carrying a gun as well. Again, you don't know if they are really on your side or not, if they are normal or if something suspicious is going on (at least until you take a further look).

    I have run into many people who I don't even know suddenly get "cool" with me and want me to take out my sidearm and show it to them. I don't do this with strangers and if it is with someone I know I don't do it in a crowd of people where it could cause a problem. I have also run into a number of OC/CC people who decide to suddenly take out their guns and show them to me and other people including with the barrel pointed in an unsafe direction including at me. One guy in the parking lot of a restaurant was showing me how "cool" he was with his gun, took it out and showed it to me with the barrel pointed at my face. When I sternly told him not to point the gun at me, he said he was sorry and assured me the "safety" was on and then kept the gun pointed at the traffic going down the street for the duration of the "show and tell." So to make a long story short, when you see someone OCing or you know they are CCing, there really isn't a need to discuss anything because both of you are already exercising your Constitutional rights. You would be preaching to the choir as it is the non-carrying or CC-only people you would need to reach. As stated above in this paragraph, getting too "chummy" with an armed stranger can invite trouble. I don't want to get "accidently" shot by some idiot who thinks he knows about firearms and I don't want the cops to get called because he is pointing his gun at people in a restaurant saying "it's not loaded." A lot of people carry guns and just like drivers, a lot of them need a hell of a lot of training. Enough said.



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    Of course when the government registers my gun I get irate also.....
    It goes in the boating accident pile for home defense use only. And
    once again we don't get compensated for the property loss they cause.

    I've only seen one fellow OC'r and couldn't get near him, at least to ask he
    stop smoking, our ranks are small enough as it is. :?

    Armed and attitude isn't the best way to be. But maybe he thought
    you were another part of an leo sting that he just got away from.
    I know my attitude changes to confrontational when in their presence,
    not proud of that, but it has been ingrained over years by experience.
    I can smile and laugh with a JBT on my neck, it drives them nuts.

    Or worse being wallymart, he thought he was going to be trespassed
    and therefor had nothing to lose at that point. Thank you corporate
    for enforcing your store policies, NOT!


    Best possible reason, An ANTI posing to give us a black eye!!!!
    Explains everything, the attitude, the registration, and the location.


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