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    U.S. v. Cooper, 293 Fed.Appx. 117 (3rd Cir. 2008)


    At 8:25 PM on September 8, 2004, while surveilling a high-crime area, Philadelphia Police Officer Marcus Allen observed Cooper exit a black Lexus and approach two men on a street corner.FN2FN2. We restate the facts as found by the District Court.



    Terry stop of the car. They had a basis at that point to get the defendant out of the car for their own safety. It was then permissible for the officer to put his hand where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. Once Officer Wiley retrieved the gun, he asked the defendant if he had a permit for it. The defendant said no. At this point, there was probable cause to arrest the defendant. In addition, Officer Wiley saw the bag of what appeared to be crack cocaine in plain view inside the car. He, therefore, could legally seize the contraband. At that point, there was also probable cause to arrest the defendant for narcotics violations as well as for firearms violations.


    FN3FN3. We have jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291. We exercise plenary review over a District Court's determination of reasonable suspicion and probable cause. United States v. Valentine, 232 F.3d 350, 353 (3d Cir.2000) (citation omitted). We review the District Court's findings of fact for clear error. United States v. Perez, 280 F.3d 318, 336 (3d Cir.2002).



    II.
    [1] Commonwealth v. Hill, 874 A.2d 1214, 1217 (Pa.Super.Ct.2005); cf. Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 30, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968) (holding a police officer may stop a suspect and search for weapons where the officer “observes unusual conduct which leads him reasonably to conclude in light of his experience that criminal activity may be afoot”). Because a firearm may be lawfully possessed under some circumstances, Cooper contends the facts here-Officer Allen's mere viewing of Cooper in possession of a weapon on a public street in Philadelphia-did not create reasonable suspicion.

    But Pennsylvania courts have consistently held an officer's observance of an individual's possession of a firearm in a public place in Philadelphia is sufficient to create reasonable suspicion to detain that individual for further investigation. Commonwealth v. Romero, 449 Pa.Super. 194, 673 A.2d 374, 377 (1996); Commonweath v. Robinson, 410 Pa.Super. 614, 600 A.2d 957, 959 (1991) (“[P]ossession of a concealed firearm by an individual in public is sufficient to create a reasonable suspicion that the individual may be dangerous, such that an officer can approach the individual and briefly detain him in order to investigate whether the person is properly licensed.”). Accordingly, Cooper's contention is without merit.

    In Commonwealth v. Bigelow, 484 Pa. 476, 399 A.2d 392, 396 (1979), the Pennsylvania Supreme Court held that licensure is an affirmative defense to a statutory violation for possession of a firearm, 18 Pa. Cons.Stat § 6108 FN4FN5FN4. 18 Pa. Cons.Stat § 6108 provides, in relevant part:
    No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in a city of the first class unless:



    (1) such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or
    (2) such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106 of this title.
    FN5. Subsequently, the Pennsylvania legislature amended a separate section of the Uniform Firearms Act to state that a gun owner's failure to produce proof of gun licensure upon lawful demand by a law enforcement officer “shall create a rebuttable presumption of nonlicensure.” 18 Pa. Cons.Stat. § 6122. Cooper contends “[t]he addition and amendment of § 6122 after the adoption of § 6108 and its interpretation in Bigelow signifies the legislature's intent to change the Uniform Firearms Act.” Cooper Br. at 11 (citations omitted). On this view, according to Cooper, “licensure under § 6108 is an evidentiary presumption, not an affirmative defense,” id. at 11-12, and therefore the potential for non-licensure would not be sufficient to create a reasonable suspicion when a law enforcement officer observes the possession of a firearm in a public place. We see no merit to this argument.

    [2] 18 Pa. Cons.Stat § 6108 (requiring a license to possess a concealed weapon in public). Additionally, the officers observed what they recognized to be crack cocaine in plain view in Cooper's vehicle. On these facts, the police had probable cause to arrest Cooper. See, e.g., United States v. Hensley, 469 U.S. 221, 235-36, 105 S.Ct. 675, 83 L.Ed.2d 604 (1985) ( “Having stopped [the Defendant], the ... police were entitled to seize evidence revealed in plain view in the course of the lawful stop, to arrest [the Defendant's] passenger when evidence discovered in plain view gave probable cause to believe the passenger had committed a crime, and subsequently to search the passenger compartment of the car because it was within the passenger's immediate control.... [And h]aving discovered additional weapons in [the Defendant's] car during the course of a lawful search, the ... officers had probable cause to arrest [the Defendant] himself for possession of firearms.”)

    IV.
    Cooper also appeals the District Court's factual findings that credited the testimony of the arresting officers. We agree with the District Court that the four Philadelphia Police Officers were credible and had no reason to fabricate a detailed story involving Cooper's arrest. We see no error.

    V.
    Accordingly, we see no error in the District Court's denial of Cooper's motion to suppress and will affirm the judgment of conviction and sentence.

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    My read says Philadelphia only of if you are in a vehicle for this since a LTCF is required in Phila and a LTCF is required in a vehicle.

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    A link would be helpful







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    lprgcFrank wrote:
    My read says Philadelphia only of if you are in a vehicle for this since a LTCF is required in Phila and a LTCF is required in a vehicle.
    And a license is required to drive, too, but the U.S. Supreme Court has clearly held that outside of carefully restricted DUI roadblocks, the police may not simply pull over a driver to check his driver's license.

    So what makes Philly different?

    The Supreme Court has also held that there is no "gun exception" to the Fourth Amendment. (J.L.v. Florida)

    Apparently, in Philly, there is.

    edstephan, sorry, but I have no link to provide. I got the case on Westlaw.

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    Another part to dislike is that someone is equating being armed with being dangerous:

    (“[P]ossession of a concealed firearm by an individual in public is sufficient to create a reasonable suspicion that the individual may be dangerous, such that an officer can approach the individual and briefly detain him in order to investigate whether the person is properly licensed.”).

    This is directly contradicted by theopinion in the 10th Circuit in St. John vs Alamagordo Police, the opinionreferring to"extensive, controlling, and compellingjurisprudence" against the idea that someone who is armed is by virtue of that fact, dangerous.
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    We really need a link to the judgement, but this is a important piece:
    . . .where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. . .

    If a LEO sees a concealed firearm during a traffic stop :shockwhich is generally illegal without a permit) you bet your a$$, you will be removed from the car and a pat down for weapons will ensue, then a license check along with running your ID, etc.

    Nothing wrong with that.


    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.

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    brboyer wrote:
    We really need a link to the judgement, but this is a important piece:
    . . .where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. . .

    If a LEO sees a concealed firearm during a traffic stop :shockwhich is generally illegal without a permit) you bet your a$$, you will be removed from the car and a pat down for weapons will ensue, then a license check along with running your ID, etc.

    Nothing wrong with that.


    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.
    not in Texas. the motorist protection act provides the citizen to have a concealed firearm in the vehicle without a license.

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    brboyer wrote:
    We really need a link to the judgement, but this is a important piece:
    . . .where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. . .

    If a LEO sees a concealed firearm during a traffic stop :shockwhich is generally illegal without a permit) you bet your a$$, you will be removed from the car and a pat down for weapons will ensue, then a license check along with running your ID, etc.

    Nothing wrong with that.


    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.
    Not in Georgia,either, as we changed the law in 2008 to provide that no license is needed to conceal in the car.


    But as to the Pennsylvania federal case, you have missed the issue in the case. The police did not notice the gun at a traffic stop. They saw the gun when he was outside of his car and initiated the traffic stop after he got into his caronly because they saw the gun.


    The issue in the case was whether it was lawful to stop the car (the "seizure") merely because the police saw a gun.

    The court COULD have held that this was a drug dealer who flashed his gun to other drug dealers during an undercover operation, and that is why the officers stopped him, but the court instead held that an officer may forcibly detain anybody when the officer knows that person has a gun.

    I notice that in Pa. you have a law requiring one to display a license to the police.


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    Citizen wrote:
    This is directly contradicted by theopinion in the 10th Circuit in St. John vs Alamagordo Police, the opinionreferring to"extensive, controlling, and compellingjurisprudence" against the idea that someone who is armed is by virtue of that fact, dangerous.
    This is not a 10th Circuit case. It is an order by a district court judge in a court in the 10th circuit. It has no precedential value in the 3rd Circuit or in a federal district court in Pennsylvania.

    There is, however, a Third Circuit case that would appear to control this issue.

    Ubiles.

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    In Ubiles several officers were overseeing a festival in the Virgin Islands when an elderly man approached them and pointed out a man he had seen in the crowd with a gun. The Third Circuit suppressed the gun recovered from the officers' frisk of the suspect, and explained, “For all the officers knew, even assuming the reliability of the tip that Ubiles possessed a gun, Ubiles was another celebrant lawfully exercising his right under Virgin Island law to possess a gun in public.” United States v. Ubiles, 224 F.3d 213, 218 (3d Cir.2000).












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    A Northern District of Georgia judge was sitting in on this one.

    Before BECKER, Chief Judge, ALDISERT, Circuit Judge and O'KELLEY, District Judge.FN**

    FN** Honorable William C. O'Kelley, United States District Judge for the Northern District of Georgia, sitting by designation.

    OPINION OF THE COURT

    BECKER, Chief Judge.
    Kahli Ubiles unlawfully possessed an unregistered firearm while attending a crowded street festival in St. Thomas. Acting on an anonymous tip that Ubiles possessed a gun, local authorities also in attendance stopped and frisked him. The authorities' Terry search proved fruitful, and they seized the firearm and arrested him. The United States subsequently filed an indictment against Ubiles, who unsuccessfully moved to have the gun suppressed on the ground that it was seized unlawfully. A jury acquitted Ubiles of a federal charge and convicted him of the possession of an unregistered firearm, in violation of V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 2253(a). This appeal followed.

    Holding that the search and seizure of Ubiles was unlawful, we will reverse. The “ Terry” stop in this case was not supported by reasonable suspicion “that criminal activity [was] afoot....” Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 30, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968). First, it is not a crime to possess a firearm in the Virgin Islands-even when standing in a crowd. Second, the anonymous tipster who approached the authorities had said nothing that would indicate that Ubiles possessed the gun unlawfully (e.g., without registration); that he was committing or about to commit a crime; or that he posed a threat to the officers or anyone in the crowd. Therefore, the stop and subsequent search were unjustified because the precondition for a “ Terry” stop was not present in this case. In reaching this conclusion, we reject the Government's contention that Ubiles had a lessened expectation of privacy because he was standing in a crowd. We will therefore vacate the conviction and remand for further proceedings.FN1

    FN1. Our Terry holding obviates the need to reach several other important questions inhering in this case. First, because of our Terry holding, we are able to assume arguendo that the informant's tip in this case was reliable, and therefore, we need not grapple with the fact that the Virgin Islands authorities relied on a face-to-face anonymous tip to stop and frisk Ubiles. Cf. Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266, ----, 120 S.Ct. 1375, 1380, 146 L.Ed.2d 254 (2000) (holding “that an anonymous tip lacking indicia of reliability ... does not justify a stop and frisk whenever and however it alleges the illegal possession of firearm”); id. at 1381 (discussing the constitutional difference between the “anonymous telephone tip” made in J.L. and an anonymous tip made “face to face”) (Kennedy, J., concurring). Second, we do not address Ubiles's argument that the firearm statute under which he was convicted, see V.I. Code Ann.ANN. tit. 14, § 2253(a), as well as a related statute defining certain terms in the firearm statute, see V.I. Code Ann. tit. 23, § 470, are void for vagueness. Lastly, we do not decide whether the District Court erred in admitting at trial certain incriminating statements made by Ubiles, and in instructing the jury regarding the Virgin Island's firearm possession statutes.

    I.

    The J'ouvert Carnival is a celebration that periodically takes place in the U.S. *215 Virgin Islands. The carnival celebrates the sunrise, and hence begins before daybreak. J'ouvert festivities last until noon and are typically crowded and boisterous. Hundreds if not thousands of revelers dance in the streets and march in a parade, while local bands lead the procession playing music from a flatbed truck. J'ouvert celebrants often consume a great deal of alcohol.

    Virgin Islands Territorial Court Deputy Marshal Franklin Leonard attended the April 30, 1998 J'ouvert Carnival on the Island of St. Thomas. He was off-duty at the time, and was joined by a female friend and two on-duty police officers, Virgin Islands Police Chief Americus Jackson and Virgin Islands Deputy Police Chief Jose Garcia. At approximately 9:00 a.m., an elderly gentleman approached Deputy Marshal Leonard and the officers. Without identifying himself, he told Leonard that there was a young man in the crowd standing on the sidewalk near the sea plane shuttle buildings who had a gun in his possession. The anonymous informant pointed toward the man in question and described his clothing and appearance. The informant did not explain how he knew that the man had a gun. He also did not describe, at the time, anything suspect about the gun or anything unusual or suspicious about the man or his behavior.

    Deputy Marshal Leonard, followed by the two officers (but not the tipster), walked over to the young man-the defendant in this case-Kahli Ubiles. According to testimony elicited from Leonard at the suppression hearing, Ubiles exhibited no unusual or suspicious behavior when Leonard approached him or when Chief Jackson began talking to him. Leonard also testified that he could not tell when he approached Ubiles whether Ubiles was carrying any type of weapon. Leonard nevertheless conducted a pat-down search of Ubiles and found in Ubiles's possession a cutlass (or machete) and a loaded gun. The firearm was a Jennings Long Rifle .22 caliber semi-automatic pistol, model J-22. The pistol's serial number allegedly had been obliterated, and evidence adduced at Ubiles's subsequent criminal trial revealed that the firearm was unregistered.

    The United States subsequently charged Ubiles with possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number in violation of federal law, 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(k), 924(a)(1)(B); possession of an unregistered firearm in violation of Virgin Islands law, V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 2253(a); and escape from custody in violation of Virgin Islands law, V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 661. A federal grand jury returned a three-count indictment on these charges. After the indictment was obtained, the Government successfully moved to dismiss the escape from custody charge.

    Before trial, Ubiles moved to suppress certain evidence, including the firearm seized by Deputy Marshal Leonard. At a hearing on this motion, the Government presented no evidence suggesting that Leonard or Officers Jackson and Garcia knew anything about Ubiles other than the information with which the anonymous informant had provided them. Leonard stated that no one had told them anything that would lead them to believe (1) that Ubiles posed a danger to himself, the other officers, or the crowd; (2) that Ubiles had brandished the gun or machete in his possession; or (3) that Ubiles did not have a license to carry the gun in his possession. See App. at 71-73. Leonard testified merely that he was “very concerned about the situation” and therefore stopped and frisked Ubiles. Id. at 65.

    Based on this testimony, the District Court denied Ubiles's motion to suppress the J 22 seized from his person. In denying the motion to suppress the firearm, the District Court explained:

    It's the night of-I think I can take judicial notice of-can be some heavy drinking. People are tired.

    So the kind of information that was given by the older gentleman to Marshal Leonard, that he had just-pointing out *216 the gentleman, describing the clothes that the defendant was wearing, had a gun, was enough reasonable suspicion for the law enforcement officers, the Chief Deputy, Chief, and Marshal Leonard to go over and question him in an investigative style. Prudent thing to do.

    And certainly it turned out to be very prudent in this case for the officers' protection while they were questioning the individual, to pat him down.

    And that pat down produced [the J-22].

    Id. at 104.

    Ubiles's case proceeded to trial. The Government introduced the J-22 into evidence and presented the testimony of Deputy Marshal Leonard; Brenda Mason, a Firearms Certification Officer with the U.S. Virgin Islands; and Ronald Lockhart, the anonymous informant (whose identity the Virgin Islands authorities had discovered shortly before trial). Leonard testified about seizing the weapon from Ubiles. Ms. Mason testified that after a thorough records search of St. Thomas and St. John files she had not found a firearm license for Ubiles's gun. She also stated that the Firearms Certification Officer for the District of St. Croix had found no such record. Lockhart told the jury that at approximately 8:30 a.m., on April 30, he saw something that looked like a gun pass from another man to Ubiles. He testified that there were three to five minutes between the time he saw the gun and the time he spoke to the officers. However, Lockhart had not related these details to the officers when he gave his tip. He had told Leonard only that he had observed a man with a gun and described and pointed to that man for the officers.

    The jury found Ubiles not guilty of the federal charge-possessing a firearm with an obliterated serial number-but guilty of the territorial charge of possessing an unregistered firearm. Ubiles filed a post-trial motion to vacate the conviction, which was denied. The District Court sentenced Ubiles to three years imprisonment, suspending all but six months of the sentence, and to supervised probation for a period of four years and six months.FN2 This appeal followed. The District Court of the Virgin Islands had jurisdiction under 18 U.S.C. §§ 3231, 3241, and 48 U.S.C.§ 1612(c). We have jurisdiction pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1291. We exercise plenary review of the District Court's decision to deny Ubiles's motion to suppress the firearm in question. See United States v. Hyde, 37 F.3d 116, 118 (3d Cir.1994).

    FN2. We note that the District Court ordered that Ubiles's term of imprisonment be served consecutive to an unrelated criminal charge on which the Virgin Islands authorities were holding Ubiles. The Virgin Islands statute governing consecutive sentences for the violation of territorial statutes allows for the imposition of sentences “to be served ... consecutively to any other sentence imposed at the same time or prior thereto.” V.I. Code Ann. tit. 5, § 3672(a) (2000) (emphasis added). Section 3672(a) does not speak of the imposition of sentences “to be served consecutively to any other charge brought at the same time or prior thereto,” nor would it seem appropriate to do so. Until a charge matures into a conviction and then a sentence, a suspect held on that charge is a mere detainee, and not a prisoner of the state serving a sentence in addition to which another sentence could be imposed consecutively. Therefore, the sentence in this case commenced as soon as it was imposed, on February 4, 2000. The sentence accordingly expired on August 4, 2000. However, inasmuch as the non-jail portion of the sentence remains, this appeal is not moot.

    II.

    [1] The Fourth Amendment prohibits “unreasonable searches and seizures....” U.S. Const. Amend IV; see also Harris v. United States, 331 U.S. 145, 150, 67 S.Ct. 1098, 91 L.Ed. 1399 (1947). “What is reasonable depends upon all of the circumstances surrounding the search or seizure and the nature of the search or seizure itself.” United States v. Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. 531, 537, 105 S.Ct. 3304, 87 L.Ed.2d 381 (1985). The “general rule” is that “warrantless searches are presumptively unreasonable....” *217 Horton v. California, 496 U.S. 128, 133, 110 S.Ct. 2301, 110 L.Ed.2d 112 (1990). The courts have, however, fashioned exceptions to the general rule, recognizing that in certain limited situations the government's interest in conducting a search without a warrant outweighs the individual's privacy interest. See, e.g., id.; Montoya de Hernandez, 473 U.S. at 537-41, 105 S.Ct. 3304. A Terry “stop and frisk” is one such exception. See Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 20-22, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968).

    A.

    [2] Terry, and cases which follow it, make clear that “an officer may, consistent with the Fourth Amendment, conduct a brief, investigatory stop when the officer has a reasonable, articulable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot.” Illinois v. Wardlow, 528 U.S. 119, ----, 120 S.Ct. 673, 675, 145 L.Ed.2d 570 (2000). To make a showing that he or she in fact had reasonable suspicion, “[t]he officer must be able to articulate more than an ‘inchoate and unparticularized suspicion or “hunch” of criminal activity.’ ” Id. (quoting Terry, 392 U.S. at 27, 88 S.Ct. 1868).

    [3] A reasonable suspicion of criminal activity may be formed by observing exclusively legal activity. See id. at 677; see also Terry, 392 U.S. at 22-23, 88 S.Ct. 1868. In Wardlow, for example, the officers who stopped the defendant were able to point to the fact that the defendant was standing in an area known for heavy narcotics trafficking and to the fact that he immediately fled the scene after seeing the officers arrive. See id. at 674. The Court “noted the fact that the stop occurred in a ‘high crime area’ [counts] among the relevant contextual considerations in a Terry analysis.” Id. at 676. The Court further noted that headlong flight, while not “necessarily indicative of ongoing criminal activity,” id. at 677, was “suggestive” of “wrongdoing,” id. at 676. The Supreme Court therefore held that, while both of the defendant's actions constituted legal behavior, they properly gave rise to the inference that criminal activity was afoot, given the totality of the circumstances. See id. at 676-77.

    What remained the centerpiece of the Court's analysis, however, was whether the defendant's behavior pointed to the presence of illegal activity. Even though the officers' suspicion was grounded in evidence of purely legal activity, the Court held that the stop was lawful only because the defendant's behavior suggested that criminal activity was afoot. See id. at 676. “We conclude Officer Nolan was justified in suspecting that Wardlow was involved in criminal activity, and, therefore, in investigating further.” Id. (emphasis added). Had the defendant not fled on sight of the officers, and simply “ ‘go [ne] about [his] business,’ ” there would have been no reason to suspect that he was engaged in criminal activity, and the officers would have had no justification to detain him. See id. (citing Florida v. Royer, 460 U.S. 491, 498, 103 S.Ct. 1319, 75 L.Ed.2d 229 (1983)).

    [4] Ubiles contends that the stop in this case was not supported by the type of reasonable suspicion required by Terry. He argues that, based on the facts presented to the officers by Lockhart at the J'ouvert Carnival, the officers had no reason to suspect that “criminal activity [was] afoot” at the time they decided to stop him. Terry, 392 U.S. at 30, 88 S.Ct. 1868. We agree.

    B.

    [5] Deputy Marshal Leonard and his compeers had no reason to believe that Ubiles was “involved in criminal activity....” Wardlow, 528 U.S. at ----, 120 S.Ct. at 676. It is not necessarily a crime to possess a firearm in the Virgin Islands, see V.I. Code Ann. tit. 23, § 470; nor does a mere allegation that a suspect possesses a firearm, as dangerous as firearms may be, justify an officer in stopping a suspect absent the reasonable suspicion required by Terry, see *218 Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266, ----, 120 S.Ct. 1375, 1379, 146 L.Ed.2d 254 (2000) (rejecting an “automatic firearm exception” to the rule in Terry). Moreover, while there are ways to possess a gun illegally in the Territory-such as by possessing a gun with an altered serial number, see 18 U.S.C. § 922(k), or by possessing an unlicensed gun, see V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 2253(a)-the Virgin Islands legislature has not enacted a criminal statute prohibiting gun possession in a crowd or at a carnival. During the suppression hearing the Government adduced no evidence suggesting that either Leonard or his officer confreres was aware of any articulable facts suggesting that the gun Ubiles possessed was defaced or unlicensed, that Ubiles posed a safety risk to the authorities or the J'ouvert celebrants, or that Ubiles was acting in a manner indicating that he was involved in a different crime. For all the officers knew, even assuming the reliability of the tip that Ubiles possessed a gun, Ubiles was another celebrant lawfully exercising his right under Virgin Islands law to possess a gun in public. That is as much as Lockhart told Leonard and Officers Jackson and Garcia in pointing to Ubiles and informing them that Ubiles had a gun in his possession.

    This situation is no different than if Lockhart had told the officers that Ubiles possessed a wallet, a perfectly legal act in the Virgin Islands, and the authorities had stopped him for this reason. Though a search of that wallet may have revealed counterfeit bills-the possession of which is a crime under United States law, see 18 U.S.C. §§ 471-72-the officers would have had no justification to stop Ubiles based merely on information that he possessed a wallet, and the seized bills would have to be suppressed. The District Court's rationale for not suppressing the firearm in this case is troubling, therefore, insofar as it seems to endorse the stop based on the fruits obtained as a result of the subsequent search. See Part I (reproducing the District Court's rationale). This post-hoc justification for stops and searches has been repeatedly rejected. See, e.g., Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266, ----, 120 S.Ct. 1375, 1379, 146 L.Ed.2d 254 (2000) (“The reasonableness of official suspicion must be measured by what the officers knew before they conducted their search.”).

    As with the case of the hypothetical wallet holder, the authorities here had no reason to know that Ubiles's gun was unregistered or that the serial number had been altered. Moreover, they did not testify that it is common for people who carry guns in crowds-or crowds of drunken people-to either alter or fail to register their guns, or to use them to commit further crimes-all of which would be additional evidence giving rise to the inference that Ubiles may have illegally possessed his gun or that criminal activity was afoot. Therefore, as with the wallet holder, the authorities in this case had no reason to believe that Ubiles was engaged in or planning or preparing to engage in illegal activity due to his possession of a gun. Accordingly, in stopping him and subsequently searching him, the authorities infringed on Ubiles's Fourth Amendment rights.

    [6] Lockhart's in-court testimony during Ubiles's trial does not undermine this conclusion. Lockhart testified at trial about how he saw Ubiles come to possess the gun. He stated that another man surreptitiously handed the gun to Ubiles, and that Ubiles slipped the gun into his pocket. The nature of this exchange could give rise to the inference that Ubiles was not the gun's owner. One could further infer based on this original inference, that, because Ubiles was not the gun's owner, he illegally possessed the gun, for it is illegal to possess a gun in the Virgin Islands that is not registered in your own name. See V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 2253(a); V.I. Code Ann. tit. 23, § 470. But there was no testimony introduced at the suppression hearing that Lockhart had told Leonard, before the search, that another man had surreptitiously handed the gun to Ubiles. As noted above, “[t]he *219 reasonableness of official suspicion must be measured by what the officers knew before they conducted their search,” J.L., 529 U.S. at ----, 120 S.Ct. at 1379 (emphasis added); hence the Government cannot rely on this fact in arguing that Lockhart's testimony in this regard is relevant in assessing the constitutionality of the stop in question.FN3

    FN3. In engaging in the analysis in the three paragraphs above, we intimate no view as to whether this additional hypothetical information would have been sufficient to warrant a finding of reasonable suspicion. The information would represent additional evidence (weighing in favor of a finding of reasonable suspicion) in “ ‘the totality of the circumstances' ” a court must consider in determining whether a stop was reasonable. United States v. Sokolow, 490 U.S. 1, 8, 109 S.Ct. 1581, 104 L.Ed.2d 1 (1989) (quoting United States v. Cortez, 449 U.S. 411, 417, 101 S.Ct. 690, 66 L.Ed.2d 621 (1981)).

    C.

    Nor can the Government rely on the fact that this stop took place during a crowded festival to make up for the lack of reasonable suspicion present in this case. We decline the Government's invitation to extend to crowds generally the Supreme Court's relaxed search and seizure jurisprudence dealing with close quarters, and the special risks attendant thereto, in airports and schools. In Florida v. J.L., the Supreme Court opined:

    The facts of [ Florida v. J.L.] do not require us to speculate about the circumstances under which the danger alleged in an anonymous tip might be so great as to justify a search even without a showing of reliability. We do not say, for example, .... that public safety officials in quarters where the reasonable expectation of Fourth Amendment privacy is diminished, such as airports, see Florida v. Rodriguez, 469 U.S. 1, 105 S.Ct. 308, 83 L.Ed.2d 165 (1984) (per curiam), and schools, see New Jersey v. T.L.O., 469 U.S. 325, 105 S.Ct. 733, 83 L.Ed.2d 720 (1985), cannot conduct protective searches on the basis of information insufficient to justify searches elsewhere.

    529 U.S. at ----, 120 S.Ct. at 1380.

    We believe that neither the heightened safety concerns observed at airports, nor the pedagogical and safety concerns implicated at schools obtain any time a crowd of adults congregates. If that were not the case, citizens farming under the open skies of Washington or Vermont would generally have greater Fourth Amendment protections than their compatriots bustling to work in Manhattan or Boston. As a general proposition of constitutional law, this cannot be so; Terry applies equally in each of these locales.

    A California court of intermediate appeals reached a similar conclusion on similar facts:

    This court believes that the fact that respondent was in a [crowded] public [street] close to [presidential candidate] Gary Hart is not relevant under the circumstances of this case to the issue of whether respondent had a legitimate expectation of privacy....

    “[T]he Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable seizure of effects upon the person remains fully applicable.” ( [ Oliver v. United States, 466 U.S. 170, 179, 104 S.Ct. 1735, 80 L.Ed.2d 214 (1984) ].) “[T]he Fourth Amendment protects people-and not simply ‘areas'-against unreasonable searches and seizures.” ( Katz v. United States, [389 U.S. 347, 353, 88 S.Ct. 507, 19 L.Ed.2d 576 (1967) ] ). “Unquestionably petitioner was entitled to the protection of the Fourth Amendment as he walked down the street in Cleveland.” ( Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1, 9, 88 S.Ct. 1868, 20 L.Ed.2d 889 (1968)).

    People v. Carlson, 187 Cal.App.3d Supp. 6, 233 Cal.Rptr. 236, 241 (1986); see id. at 241 n. 5 (also rejecting the argument that because “any member of that crowd could have felt respondent's waist area, and it was arguably foreseeable that someone in the crowd would bump up against respondent*220 and feel the area around his waist, then[the officer's] touch was limited to areas in ‘plain view,’ accessible by members of the public”). We agree with this reasoning.

    III.

    For the foregoing reasons, the judgment of the District Court will be reversed. The firearm seized from Ubiles should have been suppressed as the fruit of an unlawful seizure.


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    DKSuddeth wrote:
    brboyer wrote:
    We really need a link to the judgement, but this is a important piece:
    . . .where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. . .

    If a LEO sees a concealed firearm during a traffic stop :shockwhich is generally illegal without a permit) you bet your a$$, you will be removed from the car and a pat down for weapons will ensue, then a license check along with running your ID, etc.

    Nothing wrong with that.


    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.
    not in Texas. the motorist protection act provides the citizen to have a concealed firearm in the vehicle without a license.
    I may have misunderstood the limited information provided, but I read it to mean the the guy had the "concealed" weapon on his person which I think is illegal, no?

    Another thought is that the "concealed" weapon is was not concealed if the officer's saw it, right? Is open carry in a car legal?

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    Another thought is that the "concealed" weapon is was not concealed if the officer's saw it, right? Is open carry in a car legal?
    Pennsylvania law is silent on how a firearm must be stored/carried, as long as one has an LTCF or a license/permit from another state. Thus, open carry in a vehicle is perfectly legal, as long as one has the plastic card or piece of paper.

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    Malum Prohibitum wrote:
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    This is directly contradicted by theopinion in the 10th Circuit in St. John vs Alamagordo Police, the opinionreferring to"extensive, controlling, and compellingjurisprudence" against the idea that someone who is armed is by virtue of that fact, dangerous.
    This is not a 10th Circuit case. It is an order by a district court judge in a court in the 10th circuit. It has no precedential value in the 3rd Circuit or in a federal district court in Pennsylvania.

    There is, however, a Third Circuit case that would appear to control this issue.

    Ubiles.
    Thanks for clearing up theconfusion between circuit and district.

    As I mentioned, my main point is that being armed does not automatically equate to being dangerous.

    So, that I don't have to read the whole opinion, does Ubiles address that?
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

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    brboyer wrote:
    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.
    Thank you. My point, as stated, was that the court was equating armed-ness with dangerousness.

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    As I mentioned, my main point is that being armed does not automatically equate to being dangerous.

    So, that I don't have to read the whole opinion, does Ubiles address that?
    Deputy Marshal Leonard and his compeers had no reason to believe that Ubiles was “involved in criminal activity....” Wardlow, 528 U.S. at ----, 120 S.Ct. at 676. It is not necessarily a crime to possess a firearm in the Virgin Islands, see V.I. Code Ann. tit. 23, § 470; nor does a mere allegation that a suspect possesses a firearm, as dangerous as firearms may be, justify an officer in stopping a suspect absent the reasonable suspicion required by Terry, see *218 Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266, ----, 120 S.Ct. 1375, 1379, 146 L.Ed.2d 254 (2000) (rejecting an “automatic firearm exception” to the rule in Terry). Moreover, while there are ways to possess a gun illegally in the Territory-such as by possessing a gun with an altered serial number, see 18 U.S.C. § 922(k), or by possessing an unlicensed gun, see V.I. Code Ann. tit. 14, § 2253(a)-the Virgin Islands legislature has not enacted a criminal statute prohibiting gun possession in a crowd or at a carnival. During the suppression hearing the Government adduced no evidence suggesting that either Leonard or his officer confreres was aware of any articulable facts suggesting that the gun Ubiles possessed was defaced or unlicensed, that Ubiles posed a safety risk to the authorities or the J'ouvert celebrants, or that Ubiles was acting in a manner indicating that he was involved in a different crime. For all the officers knew, even assuming the reliability of the tip that Ubiles possessed a gun, Ubiles was another celebrant lawfully exercising his right under Virgin Islands law to possess a gun in public. That is as much as Lockhart told Leonard and Officers Jackson and Garcia in pointing to Ubiles and informing them that Ubiles had a gun in his possession.

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    brboyer wrote:
    We really need a link to the judgement, but this is a important piece:
    . . .where Officer Allen said that he saw the gun. . .

    If a LEO sees a concealed firearm during a traffic stop :shockwhich is generally illegal without a permit) you bet your a$$, you will be removed from the car and a pat down for weapons will ensue, then a license check along with running your ID, etc.

    Nothing wrong with that.


    ETA: As to Citizen's post, I think the difference here is that Mr St. John was open carrying which is on its face, legal. In this case it was a concealed weapon, that without license is illegal.
    Everything is wrong with that. For one it's unlawful.
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    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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