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    Just heard from VCDL that Bailey's is an anti -gun establishment with a "No Guns" sign on the door. Seems odd to rally in support of the Constitution at a place that prohibits the exercise of our 2nd Amendment rights.

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    For those of us that don't Go North..Why not make it an open carry event
    I'm coming back from the farm for this!


    Fox News/Glenn Beckwill be broadcasting the Taxpayer March on Washington, DC, thisSaturday, September 12th. WST-Richmond will be hosting a viewing party for those who are unable to join the March.
    WST groups arepart of Glenn Beck's 9.12 Project and are foundedaround 9 Principles and 12 Values.
    -------------------------------------------------------------- Join We Surround Them - Richmond
    at Bailey's Pub and Grille

    To watch Glenn Beck's live broadcast with MCs the Lee Brothers from WRVA-AM and local patriotic musician Kevin Reynolds.

    Date: 9/12/2009
    Time: 12:30 to 3:00 PM
    Place: 11581 Robious Road, Richmond, Va 23235
    (corner of Huguenot Road)

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    WST, contact:
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    Had noticed another thread that said Bailey's Pub had a no guns sign on the door.



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    kennys wrote:
    Had noticed another thread that said Bailey's Pub had a no guns sign on the door.

    I've been kicked out of better bars than that. We'll see what happen.

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    peter nap wrote:
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    Had noticed another thread that said Bailey's Pub had a no guns sign on the door.

    I've been kicked out of better bars than that. We'll see what happen.
    What time you going to get there?



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    kennys wrote:
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    Had noticed another thread that said Bailey's Pub had a no guns sign on the door.

    I've been kicked out of better bars than that. We'll see what happen.
    What time you going to get there?

    arounf 12:30

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    peter nap wrote:

    arounf 12:30
    Bar nothing major happening, The wife and I will probably be there. Wouldn't want you the honor of being the only one booted.

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    kennys wrote:
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    arounf 12:30
    Bar nothing major happening, The wife and I will probably be there. Wouldn't want you the honor of being the only one booted.


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    I'll try and get up there tomorrow around 12:30 as I'd like to be up there for 9/12. Can't promise anything as my wife is doing flowers for a family wedding tomorrow.

    ...That means I may be wrangled into doing something last minute.

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    Lie2me wrote:
    I'll try and get up there tomorrow around 12:30 as I'd like to be up there for 9/12. Can't promise anything as my wife is doing flowers for a family wedding tomorrow.

    ...That means I may be wrangled into doing something last minute.
    You may wind up sitting with an empty holster....who knows. It'll make a good story anyway and I really want to hear the Teaparty's explanation if there is a sign.

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    The manager, who supposedly used to be an FFL, denied entry to those with handguns on the premise of promoting safety for the other patrons based on the fact that he didn't know anybody that was carrying personally... thus presenting that not only was he making implicit and negative character judgments about any and everyone he doesn't personally know but that should he have known me personally and of my intentions that he may have allowed a bending of the rules?

    He also seemed to believe that you couldn't carry at all in any place that served alcohol and I swiftly corrected him on that and told him that his establishment would be safer for the time being when law abiding and responsible citizens were in there that were legally carrying.

    It struck me as odd that someone who supposedly, by his own admission, was an FFL and sold guns for a living in a past career, was so ignorant to the law and the fact that guns are inherently safe and especially safe in the hands/holsters of law-abiding citizens. But as has been proven plenty of times before and I'm sure will continue to be: ignorance is rampant.

    There wasn't anything posted on the door or the rule placard in the vestibule of the restaurant with regards to firearms.

    But what do you expect from a place that advertises itself as a pub but dictates that those in certain attire (biker wear... vests? something you might expect to see in a PUB..) would not be allowed in. I saw a few people in there with biker attire, and warned a couple that was going in that they didn't support freedom. The rules were selectively enforced, obviously, based on the emotions and irrational fears of management/staff.

    Then there's the issue of the tea party group choosing the anti-gun location. That it was known to be anti gun/anti freedom and they still chose to hold the event there and give them A LOT (place was jam packed) of business and money is something that, in my mind, puts a bad taste in my mouth with regards to the WST/tea party group. I believe Don will have more on that and probably more to say on Bailey's as well.

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    I was there around 12:30. No signs posted I entered. I got several smiles as well as acknowledgement to the fact of my OC. Than , ran into Peter Nap, in which he had a run in with the management, as well as the people behind this event and notified me of the way management felt about Oc. I dropped my weapon back at the truck, just long enough to go back in for a second, grab my wife and leave like the rest ofthem.

    This is a crock, not only from the management, but as well from tea party people which seem to have a thing about no gun establishments.

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    kennys wrote:
    I was there around 12:30. No signs posted I entered. I got several smiles as well as acknowledgement to the fact of my OC. Than , ran into Peter Nap, in which he had a run in with the management, as well as the people behind this event and notified me of the way management felt about Oc. I dropped my weapon back at the truck, just long enough to go back in for a second, grab my wife and leave like the rest ofthem.

    This is a crock, not only from the management, but as well from tea party people which seem to have a thing about no gun establishments.
    The other tea party people I alerted to it on my exit and walk through the parking lot shrugged off that neither the restaurant nor the event group seemed to care about freedoms all that much shrugged it off like it was nothing.

    My girlfriend said it came across to her as being a reactionary group that is merely reacting to a set of ideologies that they do not like and because they are only reacting to the ideas they do not like they are only trying to make a statement against what is out there now and making a statement of "I don't like this administration..." rather than promoting freedom and doing so in an active, or holistic, manner. And in her words "you should act, not react and because they are reacting it narrows their scope." She says she doesn't know much about what the tea party is all about but that this is just how it strikes her as being.

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    Something seems wrong when they would rather have a bunch of drunk loud people that will not remember any of it tomorrow, than some law abiding sober gun owners that as well believe in standing up for their rights as well. We can be just as loud or louder and sober, as well safe.

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    Should have held it at Chammps instead.

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    Bulldog1967 wrote:
    Should have held it at Chammps instead.
    Yeah, they should have held it somewhere that was gun and freedom friendly. But they didn't. Shame on the tea party/We Surround Them organizers. Something fishy going on with them... :X

    The Chammps here is in a mall. I think the mall has a no guns policy, but I've OC'd there several times. Nonetheless, Chammps is at an entrance so I'm sure we could get in and eat there, hopefully without a problem.

    peter nap wrote: [/b]Nice writeup, Don. There were a few differences in our encounters. The main one being that instead of him saying my gun could be grabbed by someone else that had one too many drinks he said that I might end up having one too many drinks and decide to start shooting. I informed him that I don't drink and he said "well I didn't know that" to which I replied "now you do" and he then went on to explain it was company policy and yadda yadda yadda guns are dangerous I'm scared, we're all scared, where's mommy...

    I sent an email to the parent company of Bailey's to find out if it really is a corporate policy or if it is a per location sort of thing.

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    curtiswr wrote:
    I sent an email to the parent company of Bailey's to find out if it really is a corporate policy or if it is a per location sort of thing.
    Could you give me the e-mail add? I have writen to Dock Thompson, Tea Party Organisers, Glen Beck. I want another e-mail to write.

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    General Inquiries
    Jennifer Kurth
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    The site for the parent company is http://www.tentcorp.com.





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    curtiswr wrote:
    General Inquiries
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    The site for the parent company is http://www.tentcorp.com.



    Thanks, Letter sent.

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    Of course I had those last minute errands to run and missed the event. Just got home and wished I could've been there. This is such a crock of BS, especially after the backpedalling and story switching.

    +1 on the write up. It's hard to say if the organizers of the event took the time to check out the gun policies of the establishment beforehand. I doubt they did. However, it is big-time hypocrisy to be an advertisedvenue for such things and not support 2A. We'll see how this all plays out.

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    Lie2me wrote:
    Of course I had those last minute errands to run and missed the event. Just got home and wished I could've been there. This is such a crock of BS, especially after the backpedalling and story switching.

    +1 on the write up. It's hard to say if the organizers of the event took the time to check out the gun policies of the establishment beforehand. I doubt they did. However, it is big-time hypocrisy to be an advertisedvenue for such things and not support 2A. We'll see how this all plays out.
    Well, here's writeup #2

    http://news.oldva.org/uncategorized/...arty-anti-gun/

    Is the Tea Party Anti-Gun

    Just imagine planning a Civil Rights Rally…and holding it in a Ku Klux Klan Hall.
    Boy howdy, think how surprised those folks looking to enforce their rights under God and the United States Constitution, would be, when they’re greeted by a gentleman with a hood on his head and a noose in his hand and a smile on his face. Nothing like good planning.
    Today, I briefly attended the off site Washington D.C. Tea Party. It was held at Bailey’s Pub and Grille in Chesterfield.
    As most readers know, I am or was, a strong supporter of the Richmond Tea Party. I’ve done photo stories on several of them.


    The last one was at the Chesterfield Fairgrounds. Great location…except for one little detail. They closed all the Fairground parking lots to everyone but persons actually working there, and the only other parking was at the school across the street.
    And you ask, what’s the problem? Well, it’s illegal to bring a firearm onto school property in Virginia. CHP holders may leave the weapon in their vehicle but common folks can’t even do that. Violation is one of those major, gonna get you arrested and thrown in a cell with Big Bubba, kind of laws.
    Did the Tea Party Care….Hell no! One can pass over one little error like that as Purdy Stoopid, but forgivable.
    Enter today’s faux pas. The off site rally was held at Bailey’s which is so anti gun, it’s foaming at the mouth. See todays story about my adventures in Baileyland.
    Bailey’s Pub and Grille.. A Haven for Criminals ? After my encounter with the Manager at the door, I went back to the Rally and spotting this Gentleman, whom looked important, I aked “Who’s in charge here”? He acknowledged he was.


    I asked him why they would choose to promote an anti gun establishment. He said they weren’t anti gun, they just didn’t want any guns in here.
    Well hush my mouth…just how in hell does that make any sense? So I asked, “Is that the best answer you can come up with?”
    Obviousely busy counting heads, he said “Look Call VCDL”.
    I told him I was a VCDL member and as of the last meeting, we still had our guns on.
    His reply before he turned and snipped away…”Tell VCDL to pick the place next time”.
    Now I always like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but that boy ain’t right! My concluion is that the Richmond Tea Party just flat doesn’t give a damn about gun rights. There’s no other explanation!
    I invite the Tea Party to explain these two lapses in judgment. I’ll happily print them.
    Until then





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    Sounds like he was a little snarky.

    It was the first tea party event I tried to attend... needless to say I won't be trying too hard at all to get to another one.

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    I believe you've stumbled onto a major problem with the "tea parties" in general: that no matter what you envision when you think "tea party", many of the groups organizing these events are dominated by neocons who are just as authoritarian as those they purport to oppose.

    "Rights" has been utterly dumbed down in America.


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    KBCraig wrote:
    I believe you've stumbled onto a major problem with the "tea parties" in general: that no matter what you envision when you think "tea party", many of the groups organizing these events are dominated by neocons who are just as authoritarian as those they purport to oppose.

    "Rights" has been utterly dumbed down in America.
    Does anyone see the analogy between Bailey's and Innsbrook?

    Neocons:

    Linwood Cobb

    Eric Cantor

    Bailey's manager?

    Tea Party organizers??

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