georg jetson
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Courrèges wrote:
... and this is why our servants have become our masters!! It is why we CANNOT tolerate victimless crime enforcement. It is "ends justifies the means" logic. The more victimless crimes created, the more need for victimless crime statutes.
You see... "paper money" is illegal. There was no need for "money laundering" type of statutes when gold and silver was used as legal tender. Now that we have "illegal" money, and things such as counterfeiting and such became an issue, instead of removing the obvious illegal statutes, more were legislated to cover the new illegal activity. Oh what a tangled web...
US Constitution Article 1 Section 10
No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
Ladies and gentlemen... this is STILL the supreme law of the land. It has NOT been changed by amendment.
Courreges, thanks for using money laundering as an example of "necessary" victimless crime as it is PROOF of what happens when you go down that path. You get an overbearing government with authority to mutilate your RIGHT to privacy almost at will. Victimless crime in as ENEMY of a free society.
Now to somehow tie this to the original point of the thread... whatever Anty506's activities were prior to and during the incident is irrelevant UNLESS he was an "aggressor". The only thing that can trump his right to self-defense is the self-defense of the one he shot. This is settled by determining who the aggressor was. Any statute codifying otherwise is subject to constitutional review and this is where Anty's defense lies in court.
Courrèges wrote:
If I may interject here...La Confed,
There is a correlation insofar as the drug war involves organized crime, and organized crime is depraved and violent and commits all manner of violent felonies. This is why we have laws against money laundering and other crimes that have no immediate victim, but clearly contribute to other crimes.
... and this is why our servants have become our masters!! It is why we CANNOT tolerate victimless crime enforcement. It is "ends justifies the means" logic. The more victimless crimes created, the more need for victimless crime statutes.
You see... "paper money" is illegal. There was no need for "money laundering" type of statutes when gold and silver was used as legal tender. Now that we have "illegal" money, and things such as counterfeiting and such became an issue, instead of removing the obvious illegal statutes, more were legislated to cover the new illegal activity. Oh what a tangled web...
US Constitution Article 1 Section 10
No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.
Ladies and gentlemen... this is STILL the supreme law of the land. It has NOT been changed by amendment.
Courreges, thanks for using money laundering as an example of "necessary" victimless crime as it is PROOF of what happens when you go down that path. You get an overbearing government with authority to mutilate your RIGHT to privacy almost at will. Victimless crime in as ENEMY of a free society.
Now to somehow tie this to the original point of the thread... whatever Anty506's activities were prior to and during the incident is irrelevant UNLESS he was an "aggressor". The only thing that can trump his right to self-defense is the self-defense of the one he shot. This is settled by determining who the aggressor was. Any statute codifying otherwise is subject to constitutional review and this is where Anty's defense lies in court.